Most popular country for young Europeans (18-34) to emigrate to


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in reply to rumschlumpel

A bit too popular, as all the culture clash & other associated problems are giving right-wing extremists ammunition for their bullshit. At least so it seems to this distant American who lived there for several years decades ago.

Edit: sorry for my uninformed guess. I honestly have only very loosely paid attention to what's going on over there as there's more than enough BS at home drawing my attention. I just hate to hear of my favorite childhood place having similar problems.

Esta entrada fue editada (sábado, 26 de septiembre de 2026, 20:30)
in reply to WhoIzDisIz

IME, people from slavic countries aren't really responsible for most of the culture clashes. Far-righters are mostly complaining about muslims and black africans, i.e. groups that are much more visible and far more culturally different.

Also, I'm not a fan of appeasement. IMO few would care about the far right if people didn't have to deal with more tangible issues like absurd real estate prices, declining quality of social security systems + healthcare and the national government's brazen corruption. Plus, massive online propaganda.

Esta entrada fue editada (sábado, 26 de septiembre de 2026, 20:09)
in reply to Aqarius
That argument means that nothing you do will make the farrighters disappear, other than legal and possibly violent suppression. I do think there's some truth to that, but the fact that the farrighters aren't even complaining (much) about slavs immediately invalidates the other commenter's argument.
Esta entrada fue editada (domingo, 27 de septiembre de 2026, 10:14)
in reply to Carlos Solís
Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that's actually still bigger than most European countries
in reply to Skua

It's not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe's entire population. It's a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.

Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia's entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That's warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they're not much colder than Moscow.

in reply to merc
i feel there's a big difference in how the parts of the countries culturally relate to each other, too.
Like i'm not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it's 1) a massive distance, 2) there's a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?
in reply to Carlos Solís

Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.

To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.

in reply to Carlos Solís

sorry to be nitpicky, but it's only a 2-cycle, switzerland and france. but most of the countries get there via germany.

it would be interesting to look at the induced directed acyclic graph of the original graph's connected components.

in reply to SlurpingPus
Yup, i liv in sweden and im hungarian so i know my stuff with uralic languages. I think its mainly about estonia not being on the peninsula, but neither is denmark. The absolute most northern part of denmark is about as north as the mosy southern part of estonia and also estonia is seperate from latvia and lithuania as those are balto-slavic while estonia is uralic as mentioned previously which puts it with finnish and sami in northern europe. Estonia is also very modern and has a well oiled welfare system(at least from the outside, would gladly hear the opinion of an estonian) so all of these make estonia feel pretty nordic.
in reply to virku

I like looking at these kinds of maps and finding the stable spots.

Norway -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Norway is one.

There's also Switzerland -> France -> Switzerland.

The UK escapes being part of one of those cycles by choosing a country that's off the map as their escape.

in reply to ooli3
Fuck Germany. I'm German. Honestly don't go there if you have better choices. Not because I don't want you here, you're more than welcome. Because you'll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we're exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
in reply to ShotDonkey
Looks like lots of young Europe hasn’t had this stuck in their head for a while.
in reply to ShotDonkey
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.


I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!

in reply to antianarchist

Are you confusing the land mass of England as being part of the European continent with the residents of England as being European?

Suggest you reread the post title. This is about young Europeans. Which unfortunately young English people aren't anymore.

in reply to gasgiant

By definition, even England is part of the subcontinent Europe. You can’t just leave Europe by voting.

Brexit, what you are probably referring to, affected the membership of the EU. That one you left, correct.

in reply to hOrni
Hasn't Poland doing very well over the last few years? So well, that in fact, here in germany more Poles are going back to Poland than new Poles are coming to germany lol. All because in germany the rents are high, and even more importantly, your net pay sucks since you gotta pay a lot for social security, and those social security costs that get deducted from your pay keep rising, leaving you with an ever smaller net pay.
in reply to ooli3
I live in Finland and we're looking to moving into Sweden or Norway.. It's rough here. Everything is expensive, can't get or afford healthcare, no jobs.. We just want a little house and some simple jobs to barely sustain or little family, and to be able to go to the doctor if sick. Not possible in Finland at the moment or in the near future.
in reply to pressanykeynow
It used to be nice, it's still nice if you're dying. The big problem is getting there as some data suggests Finland now has by far the longest wait times to see a doctor in Europe. Current government implemented austerity measures combined with economic difficulties since the 90s recession that screwed us over.
in reply to Swedneck
It might still be better compared to not getting any.. It's not like we need help every week and so on. I got lots of family in Northern Sweden, and they all just say it's all good and they get easily what they need and even can go to specialists fast. (Yes, on public side.)
in reply to wizzor
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The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with "grenaille" potatoes (basically a variety that's really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)

You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:

When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though.
To be honest I'm not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you've got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.

Also there's kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays

in reply to wizzor
They actually sell Raclette appliances in German-speaking countries. They’re little square frying pans with a little grill you put them under. Raclette is sold pre-sliced for them. It’s not as fun as a big block of molten cheese but it’s a nice communal meal like a hotpot.
in reply to Warl0k3
I know you can get pretty much anything in the US (or in the EU, for that matter). I'm not sure what the bougie (which means candle) is supposed to do in this context, but we do have candle sales... for wins, as in you start the bets, and when the candle go out, the last bet is it, it's a yearly thing. Maybe US grocery stores work in a similar way? I never saw it, maybe I just wasn't around at the right time. The US is a fascinating place.
in reply to AnUnusualRelic

Ah sorry, 'bougie' (sometimes spelled 'boujee' and pronounced "boo-gee") is a common english slang term meaning "associated with the bourgeoisie". Or in my case, it's a slang term that means "I cannot remember how to spell bourgeoisie".

That's super interesting about the candles though - despite the prevalence of online betting right now, the US really doesn't have much of a casual betting culture so that sounds pretty fun from an outsider's perspective! If you don't mind, what country / what's the tradition called? I'd love to hear more!

Esta entrada fue editada (lunes, 28 de septiembre de 2026, 19:45)
in reply to nightlily
Yeah that's the "normal" raclette appliances you can get anywhere in France, from roughly 20 to 100€ depending on the model/brand. It still tastes amazing, because, duh, it's melted cheese with potatoes and charcuterie, but as you said, not as fun (and getting big blocks of cheese basically forces you to buy the good quality stuff, whereas the industrially pre sliced ones are often of much lower quality)
in reply to ooli3
Greece and Albania are 100% accurate! Also Albanians, their second choice is Germany too.
edit: why no one wants to go to Italy? like the go for vocations etc, but they don;t want to live there? weird.
Esta entrada fue editada (domingo, 27 de septiembre de 2026, 9:52)
in reply to rose56
Italy might be nice to live in if you're financially independent and don't need to work, but aren't they kind of famous for having a terrible economy for the last 50 years or so? I've also read it has an increasing number of people living with their families into their 30s, not by choice, but because they can't afford to live on their own with the current jobs available to them. With factors like that, plus their increasingly xenophobic government, it doesn't surprise me that people who have other options will prioritize them, rather than moving to Italy.
in reply to Clutter
No see, that's why the map is confusing. The flag shows for each country where most people from that country emigrate to. So people from the Netherlands emigrate to Spain, people from Spain emigrate to Germany and people from Germany emigrate to Switzerland.
in reply to Schilling2304

Estonia tax rate is 22% on personal income -- so for both income and capital gains. Also the dividend/corporate tax is quite company-friendly, companies pay corporate taxes only for money taken out as profit. I'm sure there are some details here that I don't know about rising the tax rate slightly from what I say here, but not by a lot afaik.

Quite the heaven for economic right-wingers. On paper at least. I'm guessing the practical reality (including a bit higher risk from Russia, I guess) isn't enough for that many Finns to move there, whatever their politics.

Esta entrada fue editada (lunes, 28 de septiembre de 2026, 17:26)
in reply to Schilling2304

Estonia is kinda shitty imo (im estomian🇪🇪). We dont have any big political activity except Tartu. Most people are still with this soviet mindset that you can't have impact on anything. Which lead to status quo coming to power , thus increasing poverty, and now conservatives get more popular, because they promise infinite QoL and money glitch, which will lead to even worse conditions of the country i assume.
Estomian electorate can not think about any left idealogies apparently.

BTW: eventually i decided to revive the Pirate Party of Estonia. So if there is some true patriotic estomians, visit piraadid.ee/

Esta entrada fue editada (lunes, 28 de septiembre de 2026, 17:44)