in reply to Neil E. Hodges

@tk If you're paying, they already linked your account/activity to your gov ID.

You need a bank account to pay for something remotely (not in cash) whether it's by credit card or otherwise.

Both your bank account and your credit card is linked to your name. Banks require ID cards to let people have bank accounts and deliver credit cards based on gov IDs, so anything you pay for by any non-cash method is already linked to your gov ID… No need for "age verification" BS for that…

@aral @dalias

in reply to 🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣
@devnull @tk Just because the financial institution has that information doesn't mean the merchant has access to it. It may be against the interests of the financial institution, or outright illegal, to share that data with merchants.
in reply to 🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣
@devnull @tk @dalias Prepaid credit-like cards aren’t controlled goods. Kids can buy them. They’re also sold as gifts specifically because they can be used for remote payments.
in reply to Zimmie
@bob_zim @devnull @tk Platforms that use payment as proof-of-something-else generally only allow actual credit cards, not prepaid/debit cards, to be used for that purpose. But unless you're trying to be ridiculously pedantic, having the ability to pay, especially ongoing periodic payments, from a card is a good enough proxy for "is an adult or has 'permission' 🤮 of an adult to be doing this".
in reply to Cassandrich

@dalias @devnull @tk My point is if you just hook up Stripe or whatever, a payment doesn’t provide enough information to say whether the person paying is a certain age.

Not at all saying this is a good thing, simply saying it is the current state of the systems involved.

in reply to Zimmie

@bob_zim
It does.

Merchants get a surprising amount of signals from the payment processor.

They literally must, or they would not be able fulfill their tax obligations.

And at the other hand the banks/card issuers are by KYC/KYB/AML regulations (these have teeth, with penalties hitting the C-suite of done wrongly), so not being transparent to your back is literally a nonstarter.

@dalias @devnull @tk @aral

in reply to Zimmie

@bob_zim
And you'll find out that payment API let the merchant exactly know what kind of card is being used.

Literally that the card is throw away one use number that my fintech creates? That is also communicated, you know so you cannot use it for subscriptions.

And so on.

The card companies literally tell the merchant many things.

Why does the site need the exact ID, when it has their attributes/signals like adult from the payment institution?
@devnull @tk @aral @dalias

in reply to Cassandrich

it's not stupid, it's evil. it's the same reason facebook et al are pushing for laws requiring age verification in operating systems. the long-range plan is to completely abandon the concept of content moderation, and make it your problem for having passed the age check.

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in reply to Cassandrich

vimeo is owned by bending spoons, who shitcanned most of the vimeo staff back in January. their whole business model is buying SaaS shitware, firing everyone, and vibecoding minimum viable hosting. They're absolutely interested in both dropping low-dollar users and absolving themselves of content moderation.

CC: @aral@mastodon.ar.al

in reply to Aral Balkan
And it looks like the last refuge the government will leave for unrestricted communication will be the underground self-hosted servers. Great to see you're doing your part to help with the transition, but it sure hurts to see so few people able to move to, or even aware of, the alternatives.
in reply to Aral Balkan

I don't use many services that seem like they will require age verification but the ones that do can just fuck off and I will have to do without or get an alternative.

So far only my Sony Playstation account has asked for age verification to continue using in game chat but strangely I can still chat on Fortnite on my PS4 without issue. I don't have a card associated with my account so they can't even use that as a proxy.

in reply to Raymond Russell
@raymierussell
Given that my PS4 finally died that this was a unit that was one of the first models released. I don’t have a use for ps+ or Sony much anymore because I don’t like the way games have gone and I don’t like the way the platforms have gone and I don’t like the price. It’s just it’s not worth it anymore.
in reply to Raymond Russell
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
I am a tinkerer. If my PS4 was to have minor problem(s) I would probably have a go at fixing it. I have managed to spill coke on both my controllers at different times and they got sticky and needed cleaned internally to work properly. It was quite simple process and I may even replace the batteries soon as they are definitely holding much less charge these days.
in reply to Aral Balkan

I’m just a freeloader, but I found that I could login without the nonsense from a Dutch IP, so if you’re happy to do a little regulation shopping/swapping you might be able to kick the can down the road a little.

But as others have pointed out… bending spoons…

And also the age verification stuff is spreading like wildfire

in reply to David Peach

Honestly, peertube seems like a right pain to self host, and videos take up a decent amount of space. I've been tempted to self host some videos, but I think I'd rather go down the route of writing a little bash script to generated done video pages with an RSS feed. Seems easier to me.

CC: @aral@mastodon.ar.al

in reply to David Peach
in reply to Aral Balkan

I've just moved to self-hosted because of a poor PeerTube experience.

I host the standard html5 'player' HTML page along with a few tweaks on nginx so you end up with this, for example, which can be neatly wrapped in an iframe for a bit of extra styling.

example.com/video.mp4&poster=/images/video.webp

Example here: -

write.as/jvk8tuu96cth19d4.md

@chris

in reply to Aral Balkan
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Oh, Vimeo, what you do isn’t all that hard when you remove the centralised aspects of it. We don’t need all the bullshit you peddle to have the non-bullshit parts.

Working so far, in my Small Web prototype using Kitten¹:

• Uploads
• Automatic transcription (via tiny offline LLM)
• Watch online
• Share direct video link

Also fixing a couple of bugs in Kitten as I go so this should make the automatic uploads feature in Kitten more robust (in main, currently, the serving of videos is broken as we’re not properly handling range requests. Will be fixed in the next release.)

The prototype currently has a little over 200 lines of code (HTML + CSS + JS).

¹ kitten.small-web.org

#SmallWeb #Kitten #Vimeo #video #ageVerification

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