A bit too popular, as all the culture clash & other associated problems are giving right-wing extremists ammunition for their bullshit. At least so it seems to this distant American who lived there for several years decades ago.
Edit: sorry for my uninformed guess. I honestly have only very loosely paid attention to what's going on over there as there's more than enough BS at home drawing my attention. I just hate to hear of my favorite childhood place having similar problems.
IME, people from slavic countries aren't really responsible for most of the culture clashes. Far-righters are mostly complaining about muslims and black africans, i.e. groups that are much more visible and far more culturally different.
Also, I'm not a fan of appeasement. IMO few would care about the far right if people didn't have to deal with more tangible issues like absurd real estate prices, declining quality of social security systems + healthcare and the national government's brazen corruption. Plus, massive online propaganda.
Good point. I'm only loosely aware of what's going on over there, and honestly haven't really put much thought into it. I just hate to see yet another piece of cherished childhood memories going down the tubes.
Oh, they hate Slavs too, they just hate muslims more. If they were to somehow get rid of the migrants they'd find the time for slav-bashing, believe me.
That argument means that nothing you do will make the farrighters disappear, other than legal and possibly violent suppression. I do think there's some truth to that, but the fact that the farrighters aren't even complaining (much) about slavs immediately invalidates the other commenter's argument.
Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that's actually still bigger than most European countries
Most of it is in Asia, but the part in Europe has most (75%+) of the actual people. Partly colonial population dynamics at work, partly the rest of it being Siberia.
The European part of Turkiye is still about twelve million people as well, it's not like Russia but it is still a pretty substantial number of people. It'd be the 12th-most populous country in Europe if it was independent
It's not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe's entire population. It's a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.
Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia's entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That's warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they're not much colder than Moscow.
i feel there's a big difference in how the parts of the countries culturally relate to each other, too. Like i'm not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it's 1) a massive distance, 2) there's a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?
Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.
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Fuck Germany. I'm German. Honestly don't go there if you have better choices. Not because I don't want you here, you're more than welcome. Because you'll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we're exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
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Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!
Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.
True that. We didn't have an actual left-wing government since 1989, even the supposed "left-wing" were actually neoliberals pandering to international corporations.
last time I checked, the British Isles weren't a continent themselves, so we do belong to Europe 😅 (unless you're trying to imply that we somehow belong to the Americas)
I would guess it was very different before the war started, but I can't find a good source nor for this, neither for pre-2022 stats. Now there are at least some companies that moved to Kazakhstan because it was a relatively easy move
No no, it's honestly the most logical choice for people from Belarus. Similar culture, many already speak the language, Poland is rich in comparison to Belarus and everything is a beacon of freedom when compared to Europes last dictatorship.
I know plenty of young Finns that left to Poland in hopes of better life and they're living the dream there.. Yeah, wages are smaller, but so are living costs and all that too.
Hasn't Poland doing very well over the last few years? So well, that in fact, here in germany more Poles are going back to Poland than new Poles are coming to germany lol. All because in germany the rents are high, and even more importantly, your net pay sucks since you gotta pay a lot for social security, and those social security costs that get deducted from your pay keep rising, leaving you with an ever smaller net pay.
People moving to germany thinking wages are great, until they realize their net pay is like only half of their gross pay. Add to that insane rents, and then everything doesn't look so rosy anymore.
I live in Finland and we're looking to moving into Sweden or Norway.. It's rough here. Everything is expensive, can't get or afford healthcare, no jobs.. We just want a little house and some simple jobs to barely sustain or little family, and to be able to go to the doctor if sick. Not possible in Finland at the moment or in the near future.
Don't expect it to be terribly different in Norway. If you are dying and/or need emergency care it is probably ok/good, but just your average healthcare is annoying at best and you have to beg for any kind of specialist treatment.
It used to be nice, it's still nice if you're dying. The big problem is getting there as some data suggests Finland now has by far the longest wait times to see a doctor in Europe. Current government implemented austerity measures combined with economic difficulties since the 90s recession that screwed us over.
It might still be better compared to not getting any.. It's not like we need help every week and so on. I got lots of family in Northern Sweden, and they all just say it's all good and they get easily what they need and even can go to specialists fast. (Yes, on public side.)
not sure you want to use northern sweden as a good example, considering how there have been news articles about people having to drive for hours to give birth in a hospital because their local one closed..
I have not tried swiss food, but oof. Still, I have been to only two places which might be close to beating france in terms of average quality of food.
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The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with "grenaille" potatoes (basically a variety that's really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)
You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:
When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though. To be honest I'm not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you've got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.
Also there's kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays
They actually sell Raclette appliances in German-speaking countries. They’re little square frying pans with a little grill you put them under. Raclette is sold pre-sliced for them. It’s not as fun as a big block of molten cheese but it’s a nice communal meal like a hotpot.
Greece and Albania are 100% accurate! Also Albanians, their second choice is Germany too. edit: why no one wants to go to Italy? like the go for vocations etc, but they don;t want to live there? weird.
Italy might be nice to live in if you're financially independent and don't need to work, but aren't they kind of famous for having a terrible economy for the last 50 years or so? I've also read it has an increasing number of people living with their families into their 30s, not by choice, but because they can't afford to live on their own with the current jobs available to them. With factors like that, plus their increasingly xenophobic government, it doesn't surprise me that people who have other options will prioritize them, rather than moving to Italy.
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in reply to rumschlumpel • • •A bit too popular, as all the culture clash & other associated problems are giving right-wing extremists ammunition for their bullshit. At least so it seems to this distant American who lived there for several years decades ago.
Edit: sorry for my uninformed guess. I honestly have only very loosely paid attention to what's going on over there as there's more than enough BS at home drawing my attention. I just hate to hear of my favorite childhood place having similar problems.
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in reply to WhoIzDisIz • • •IME, people from slavic countries aren't really responsible for most of the culture clashes. Far-righters are mostly complaining about muslims and black africans, i.e. groups that are much more visible and far more culturally different.
Also, I'm not a fan of appeasement. IMO few would care about the far right if people didn't have to deal with more tangible issues like absurd real estate prices, declining quality of social security systems + healthcare and the national government's brazen corruption. Plus, massive online propaganda.
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in reply to Carlos Solís • • •Some countries like Turkey are part of both Europe and Asia on technicalities. They straddle the border so they get to be part of both.
Then there's Russia, where the population is mostly in Europe, but the land is mostly in Asia.
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in reply to Skua • • •It's not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe's entire population. It's a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.
Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia's entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That's warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they're not much colder than Moscow.
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in reply to merc • • •Like i'm not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it's 1) a massive distance, 2) there's a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?
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To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.
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in reply to virku • • •I like looking at these kinds of maps and finding the stable spots.
Norway -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Norway is one.
There's also Switzerland -> France -> Switzerland.
The UK escapes being part of one of those cycles by choosing a country that's off the map as their escape.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.
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in reply to ooli3 • • •Ah all those young European English people emigrating to Australia.
We left. Please exclude us from this sort of European nonsense.
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in reply to gasgiant • • •Switzerland, Iceland, Turkey etc. are also included and they aren't EU members.
I feel like you are deliberately misunderstanding the EU and Europe.
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in reply to sem • • •I would have thought the fact that the Aussie one has white stars (as in this map) and the New Zealand one has red stars made it clear enough already.
Still seems to confuse you though.
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in reply to gasgiant • • •I don't see them both named and together often enough to notice that they have different colors, but maybe I'll remember it after this interaction.
I still like the fern better though.
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in reply to gasgiant • • •You left Europe, the subcontinent? How did you manage?
Or are you confusing it with the European Union, the political system?
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in reply to antianarchist • • •Are you confusing the land mass of England as being part of the European continent with the residents of England as being European?
Suggest you reread the post title. This is about young Europeans. Which unfortunately young English people aren't anymore.
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in reply to gasgiant • • •How exactly?
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in reply to gasgiant • • •By definition, even England is part of the subcontinent Europe. You can’t just leave Europe by voting.
Brexit, what you are probably referring to, affected the membership of the EU. That one you left, correct.
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in reply to wizzor • • •The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with "grenaille" potatoes (basically a variety that's really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)
You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:
When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though.
To be honest I'm not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you've got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.
Also there's kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays
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in reply to Sylvartas • • •Ohh, I don't think I will buy the wheel holder thing, or a wheel of cheese for that matter, but I think I'll try making that myself the simple way.
Thanks for taking the time to type that out, it was intriguing.
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in reply to ooli3 • • •As you can see. The Dutch stay in "dutch-land"
Because Holland is the best. Nobody wants to leave!
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