As a black metal fan... It's really not that hard to avoid the nazis. There are plenty of anti-fascist sources. I think people are just too lazy or already invested in fascist music.
Esta entrada fue editada (viernes, 18 de septiembre de 2026, 16:38)
As a black metal fan... I get what you're saying, but the number of times I turned down music I liked because of the artists is probably in the 3 digits.
It's not just music. It's hard to find guilt free enjoyment in almost anything nowadays. Someone involved in its creation will almost inevitably be a turbo-cunt somehow.
I've come to the conclusion that being an ethical consumer is probably impossible. I will however still try. Perfection is the enemy of progress and all that.
While true, many people use that as an excuse to not even try. Even if you can't stop exploitation as just one individual, this doesn't mean you get a pass to make things worse.
That's the right mentality to have there. Do what you can where you can.
I ran into an amazing character creator and animator recently and loved what I saw. I shared it with some friends and they pointed out the person is a complete CHUD. I now blacklist their stuff, as simple viewership of their media gives demand for it.
I find local to be a good ethical area. Though that does come with either knowing people if you're not around stuff. But Im lucky to live in a low cost metro area that has regularly underground music scene for good listening at the direct benefit of the artist
Guilt-free is impossible if you pay for it. Pirating though, you can draw the line yourself. Like for example Harry Porter the movie is a combination of multiple talented people, i don't attribute all those to a single cunt, and pirating mean i can avoid paying that cunt while also acknowledging the talent that contributed to this whole series(by watching their other works, but i'm also a massive cunt as i pirate everything and not paying streaming service a single cent)
Don't really like the series anyway, the setting is pretty nice though. Will still avoid media from people who crossed that line though.
Esta entrada fue editada (viernes, 18 de septiembre de 2026, 10:07)
I really think everyone should pirate books and just donate to authors who need it. You bypass all the publishers and any nonsense connected to it, and if the authors suck you can find that out before eonating. Like if you buy Sanderson books you are tithing to his stupid anti-LGBT church.
And if you pirate a new author's book, you're fucking them in sales, and donating does not make up for it. New authors don't need money, they need to sell their book.
Perfection is impossible, you'll never know someone is like that until they get vocal about it. But for actual Nazis and their sympathizers, I do what I can to not give them attention or money. It's like ethical consumption under capitalism, it's impossible to be 100%. Just do better when it's obvious.
I learned about Grimes from her spot in Cyberpunk 2077. Excited at the potential well of new music I looked her up and first result is a divorce with Musk.
All I really know of Grimes is she collaborated with Poppy on her second album, and they apparently immediately had a public feud. Poppy's accusations are pretty inline with being having 3 kids with Elon Musk.
One of the most wonderful things about artwork is that it provides anyone experiencing it a direct connection to the artist. Sure artists can filter but they still put some of their real selves into the artwork no matter how hard they try not to.
The other side of that coin is great artwork affects the one experiencing it. Think about how much your own life you experience and filter through the lenses of the books, movies, music and artwork that you've experienced up to that point. If you ever draw connections between real life and artwork, that's one of the ways that art changes you, and that's part of why avoiding artwork written by hateful people is worth the effort.
Of course there's also interest in experiencing artwork that you know was made by a hateful individual. Take Falling in Reverse for example. Ronnie Radcliffe, their lead is generally a pretty shitty human, and knowing that you can notice how the music he writes and performs tends to mostly be very surface level "I'm a broken person" and "everyone hates me" with a bit of "everyone who hates me is a loser
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One of the most wonderful things about artwork is that it provides anyone experiencing it a direct connection to the artist. Sure artists can filter but they still put some of their real selves into the artwork no matter how hard they try not to.
The other side of that coin is great artwork affects the one experiencing it. Think about how much your own life you experience and filter through the lenses of the books, movies, music and artwork that you've experienced up to that point. If you ever draw connections between real life and artwork, that's one of the ways that art changes you, and that's part of why avoiding artwork written by hateful people is worth the effort.
Of course there's also interest in experiencing artwork that you know was made by a hateful individual. Take Falling in Reverse for example. Ronnie Radcliffe, their lead is generally a pretty shitty human, and knowing that you can notice how the music he writes and performs tends to mostly be very surface level "I'm a broken person" and "everyone hates me" with a bit of "everyone who hates me is a loser!" thrown in for good measure. This is his true self showing through the work. Or if we look at H.P. Lovecraft's Call of Cthulhu, you'll notice Lovecraft seems to be far more terrified by the non-white Cthulhu worshippers in his works than by Cthulhu himself, with far more visceral and descriptive writing relating to the horrors given to the worshippers. Again this is the true self showing through as Lovecraft was incredibly racist even for the time
That those people then funnel money into organizations that are anti-LGBTIA+ as well should be a very good reason to not buy their crap. Initially with Rowling we didn't know she was such a POS, but now that we do, I no longer consume her media willingly. I wouldn't even say pirate it, as it still creates an obvious demand for it.
Money going to people like that is then funneled into culture war bullshit. Rowling as an example is personally help fund many anti-trans pieces of legislation. There is not ethical consumption with Nazis/Reactionaries involved. If you can't be assed to not pay for media that funds such actions then I personally so little difference between you and the creator.
Sorta related, but I was trying to remember a song the other day where a guy is proposing to a woman. I eventually realized it was "On My Way" (2012) by Passion Pit. So I decided to go to wikipedia to see if it was based on real events, and it was. But then the story goes wonky.
Michael Angelakos wrote the song to propose to his then girlfriend Kristy Mucci. But while engaged to Mucci, he started also dating Madeleine Dubus. He became a drunk and drug addict and was abusive towards Mucci and Dubus. He still married Mucci in 2013, but they announced they were divorcing in 2015. Later that year, Angelakos announced he was gay. In 2018, he came out as bisexual.
In 2025, he said he took too many shrooms and wrote a long email to Dubus that prompted a wellness check on him. Months later, he married Dubus and she became his manager. That same year, he wrote a series of essays, much of which were about his inability to clean up after himself at home and the problems that causes. He also described "snorting a billion grams of ketamine."
Anyway, it kinda takes the song down a notch for me.
Meh, in that case I am not too put off. Sure, the guy might have been a dick who couldn't handle fame, but the song was written with presumably good intentions. Drugs and alcohol ruined countless artists.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is part of what I love about the punk scene, it's all about empowering the downtrodden and telling oppressors to fuck off, and at the same time having some fun while you do so!
Really sad to find that out about Anti-Flag. They had such an asexual energy about them that I could relate to. Also they stopped me from becoming a fascist at one of my darkest moments.
Well I'm glad to hear they helped you. I've seen them so many times. Was very sad to hear about it. I still have a patch on my vest, but covered up the "flag" portion of the name with gorilla tape hah.
Some people are just too focused on others with no sense of observation on themselves.
In terms of the 'weirdos' who do this, they seem to be majorly concentrated within Lemmy.global. So it isnt the "whole" of Lemmy but more like a louder portion of it.
Also, these kinds of "controversial" stuff just brings the wrong kind of people - those which twist narratives, and spread hypocrisy. But as I said, I only encountered this in global.
i don't know what that instance is. i mostly block .ml and a few other instances because that's where the majority of weirdos come from, and they view everything from a extremist lens and would call you a Nazi for having the wrong type of bowel movement. But definately there are people who use certain instances because they are 100% ID politics believers and think nobody can exist without every thing they do being inherently part of their political identity. The concept of politics being a single aspect of life among many doesn't exist for these folks and they refuse to accept any notion of plurality of belief and life.
that said i find this community and a few others, to be less full of insane weirdos than most. people here seem to take shit less seriously and be more thoughtful, weirdly enough.
Esta entrada fue editada (viernes, 18 de septiembre de 2026, 16:33)
people can worship anything. they can also worship other people. or nothing at all.
go talk to a bunch of car guys and ask them how they feel about cars being works of art.
and besides, this discussion is here is about pop music. I'd never consider pop music art. it's a product produced for mass consumption, and further, technically it's produced by an entire team of people, even if we ignorantly attribute it to a single 'artist'. so if Dan on the Marketing team is a devout Muslim who doesn't believe in interracial/religious marriage, was the guy who came up with a great successful marketing campaign for a musical artist, is that all that music also 'supporting nazism'?
the point is all this 'i must only support people believe what i believe' stuff is stupid is because you don't even know what most people believe, nor should you in a civil and decent society. their beliefs should be irrelevant to the products they produce, and most likely, they are entirely irrelevant to them.
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no, it's not.
people can worship anything. they can also worship other people. or nothing at all.
go talk to a bunch of car guys and ask them how they feel about cars being works of art.
and besides, this discussion is here is about pop music. I'd never consider pop music art. it's a product produced for mass consumption, and further, technically it's produced by an entire team of people, even if we ignorantly attribute it to a single 'artist'. so if Dan on the Marketing team is a devout Muslim who doesn't believe in interracial/religious marriage, was the guy who came up with a great successful marketing campaign for a musical artist, is that all that music also 'supporting nazism'?
the point is all this 'i must only support people believe what i believe' stuff is stupid is because you don't even know what most people believe, nor should you in a civil and decent society. their beliefs should be irrelevant to the products they produce, and most likely, they are entirely irrelevant to them.
But you weirdos seem to to think that my Baptism means the spreadsheets I produce for my work reports are 'tainted by the ghost of Christianity' or something. Because you're so weirdly medieval in the way you think and you seem to think everything is permeable and gets 'infected' and you too will be 'infected' by listening to music produced by someone who doesn't align with your own personal beliefs. When the truth it will have zero impact on you at all.
Esta entrada fue editada (viernes, 18 de septiembre de 2026, 20:09)
Come back to me once you spent a large amount of your time learning guitar thanks to a band, then the band members first want to give a chance to Trump, then begin using AI (all after they wrote an awful triple concept album on "machine music" building out literally 1984).
And sometimes it's an old band with pretty unique music style, history of neither bigotry nor pedophilia, and a modern fanbase entirely made up of 14 year olds commenting "this is what real music used to sound like, before people became gay." So fun /s
Esta entrada fue editada (domingo, 20 de septiembre de 2026, 0:23)
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in reply to KoalaUnknown • • •Black metal bands : nazi
Classic rock artists : pedophiles
Inquisition : both
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in reply to technocrit • • •I know, it's a joke, I am a black metal fan myself. I don't believe every old school rockstars out there were fucking minors either.
But there is a reason that everytime I find a new BM band, my first action is to dig a bit oh them. I don't usually do that for other genres...
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in reply to BurtReynolds • • •"there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism"
It's been a known concept in leftist theory for a long while.
KombatWombat
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in reply to BurtReynolds • • •That's the right mentality to have there. Do what you can where you can.
I ran into an amazing character creator and animator recently and loved what I saw. I shared it with some friends and they pointed out the person is a complete CHUD. I now blacklist their stuff, as simple viewership of their media gives demand for it.
KombatWombat
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in reply to Hideakikarate • • •Guilt-free is impossible if you pay for it. Pirating though, you can draw the line yourself. Like for example Harry Porter the movie is a combination of multiple talented people, i don't attribute all those to a single cunt, and pirating mean i can avoid paying that cunt while also acknowledging the talent that contributed to this whole series(by watching their other works, but i'm also a massive cunt as i pirate everything and not paying streaming service a single cent)
Don't really like the series anyway, the setting is pretty nice though. Will still avoid media from people who crossed that line though.
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in reply to KoalaUnknown • • •I learned about Grimes from her spot in Cyberpunk 2077. Excited at the potential well of new music I looked her up and first result is a divorce with Musk.
Come on, man.
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in reply to binarytobis • • •For those saying "it's a divorce," when accused of being a Nazi, Grimes replied she was "happily proud of white culture."
They had enough in common to get married.
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in reply to Doc_Crankenstein • • •One of the most wonderful things about artwork is that it provides anyone experiencing it a direct connection to the artist. Sure artists can filter but they still put some of their real selves into the artwork no matter how hard they try not to.
The other side of that coin is great artwork affects the one experiencing it. Think about how much your own life you experience and filter through the lenses of the books, movies, music and artwork that you've experienced up to that point. If you ever draw connections between real life and artwork, that's one of the ways that art changes you, and that's part of why avoiding artwork written by hateful people is worth the effort.
Of course there's also interest in experiencing artwork that you know was made by a hateful individual. Take Falling in Reverse for example. Ronnie Radcliffe, their lead is generally a pretty shitty human, and knowing that you can notice how the music he writes and performs tends to mostly be very surface level "I'm a broken person" and "everyone hates me" with a bit of "everyone who hates me is a loser
... Mostrar másOne of the most wonderful things about artwork is that it provides anyone experiencing it a direct connection to the artist. Sure artists can filter but they still put some of their real selves into the artwork no matter how hard they try not to.
The other side of that coin is great artwork affects the one experiencing it. Think about how much your own life you experience and filter through the lenses of the books, movies, music and artwork that you've experienced up to that point. If you ever draw connections between real life and artwork, that's one of the ways that art changes you, and that's part of why avoiding artwork written by hateful people is worth the effort.
Of course there's also interest in experiencing artwork that you know was made by a hateful individual. Take Falling in Reverse for example. Ronnie Radcliffe, their lead is generally a pretty shitty human, and knowing that you can notice how the music he writes and performs tends to mostly be very surface level "I'm a broken person" and "everyone hates me" with a bit of "everyone who hates me is a loser!" thrown in for good measure. This is his true self showing through the work. Or if we look at H.P. Lovecraft's Call of Cthulhu, you'll notice Lovecraft seems to be far more terrified by the non-white Cthulhu worshippers in his works than by Cthulhu himself, with far more visceral and descriptive writing relating to the horrors given to the worshippers. Again this is the true self showing through as Lovecraft was incredibly racist even for the time
TootSweet
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(/s, obviously)
87Six
in reply to KoalaUnknown • • •listens to his music even more
Can't be traumatizing kids if he's busy making music for me lol
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Demdaru
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Sponsorblock: engaged
Music video: downloaded
...meh.
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in reply to KoalaUnknown • • •Sorta related, but I was trying to remember a song the other day where a guy is proposing to a woman. I eventually realized it was "On My Way" (2012) by Passion Pit. So I decided to go to wikipedia to see if it was based on real events, and it was. But then the story goes wonky.
Michael Angelakos wrote the song to propose to his then girlfriend Kristy Mucci. But while engaged to Mucci, he started also dating Madeleine Dubus. He became a drunk and drug addict and was abusive towards Mucci and Dubus. He still married Mucci in 2013, but they announced they were divorcing in 2015. Later that year, Angelakos announced he was gay. In 2018, he came out as bisexual.
In 2025, he said he took too many shrooms and wrote a long email to Dubus that prompted a wellness check on him. Months later, he married Dubus and she became his manager. That same year, he wrote a series of essays, much of which were about his inability to clean up after himself at home and the problems that causes. He also described "snorting a billion grams of ketamine."
Anyway, it kinda takes the song down a notch for me.
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in reply to KoalaUnknown • • •Crazy idea, I know, but you can just enjoy shit regardless.
For all I know the engineer who designed my car's breaks was a pedo, but that doesn't mean I am going to stop driving my car.
I don't understand this weirdo notion of 'purity' implicit in these types of beliefs. But guilt by association is not a thing I believe in.
cosmos8188
in reply to TubularTittyFrog • • •Some people are just too focused on others with no sense of observation on themselves.
In terms of the 'weirdos' who do this, they seem to be majorly concentrated within Lemmy.global. So it isnt the "whole" of Lemmy but more like a louder portion of it.
Also, these kinds of "controversial" stuff just brings the wrong kind of people - those which twist narratives, and spread hypocrisy. But as I said, I only encountered this in global.
TubularTittyFrog
in reply to cosmos8188 • • •i don't know what that instance is. i mostly block .ml and a few other instances because that's where the majority of weirdos come from, and they view everything from a extremist lens and would call you a Nazi for having the wrong type of bowel movement. But definately there are people who use certain instances because they are 100% ID politics believers and think nobody can exist without every thing they do being inherently part of their political identity. The concept of politics being a single aspect of life among many doesn't exist for these folks and they refuse to accept any notion of plurality of belief and life.
that said i find this community and a few others, to be less full of insane weirdos than most. people here seem to take shit less seriously and be more thoughtful, weirdly enough.
Kairos
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in reply to Kairos • • •no, it's not.
people can worship anything. they can also worship other people. or nothing at all.
go talk to a bunch of car guys and ask them how they feel about cars being works of art.
and besides, this discussion is here is about pop music. I'd never consider pop music art. it's a product produced for mass consumption, and further, technically it's produced by an entire team of people, even if we ignorantly attribute it to a single 'artist'. so if Dan on the Marketing team is a devout Muslim who doesn't believe in interracial/religious marriage, was the guy who came up with a great successful marketing campaign for a musical artist, is that all that music also 'supporting nazism'?
the point is all this 'i must only support people believe what i believe' stuff is stupid is because you don't even know what most people believe, nor should you in a civil and decent society. their beliefs should be irrelevant to the products they produce, and most likely, they are entirely irrelevant to them.
But you weirdos seem to to think that my Baptism means the sp
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people can worship anything. they can also worship other people. or nothing at all.
go talk to a bunch of car guys and ask them how they feel about cars being works of art.
and besides, this discussion is here is about pop music. I'd never consider pop music art. it's a product produced for mass consumption, and further, technically it's produced by an entire team of people, even if we ignorantly attribute it to a single 'artist'. so if Dan on the Marketing team is a devout Muslim who doesn't believe in interracial/religious marriage, was the guy who came up with a great successful marketing campaign for a musical artist, is that all that music also 'supporting nazism'?
the point is all this 'i must only support people believe what i believe' stuff is stupid is because you don't even know what most people believe, nor should you in a civil and decent society. their beliefs should be irrelevant to the products they produce, and most likely, they are entirely irrelevant to them.
But you weirdos seem to to think that my Baptism means the spreadsheets I produce for my work reports are 'tainted by the ghost of Christianity' or something. Because you're so weirdly medieval in the way you think and you seem to think everything is permeable and gets 'infected' and you too will be 'infected' by listening to music produced by someone who doesn't align with your own personal beliefs. When the truth it will have zero impact on you at all.
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