Linus Torvalds Working On A Hefty Linux Kernel Improvement With Claude Code
Linus Torvalds Working On A Hefty Linux Kernel Improvement With Claude Code
Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravitywww.phoronix.com
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in reply to LostWanderer • • •Less with LLMs than without. projectdiscovery.io/blog/the-vulnerability-curve-bent-with-the-ai-curve darpa.mil/news/2025/aixcc-results
The Vulnerability Curve Bent With the AI Curve — ProjectDiscovery Blog
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in reply to LostWanderer • • •If the models all go up in smoke, we still have the code (and its bugs) - so let's get as many bugs out as possible as soon as possible and not accept a bunch of garbage code - as has always been the case, it's just happening gaster now.
Trainers (all over the world) are behaving badly, because they can get away with it. I'm not sure where that ends up, but it doesn't change the generated code or the discovered vulnerabilities or the fixes.
The personal data has been abused for decades already, but again - now it's easier for more actors to abuse your personal data and mine. Maybe, someday, we'll get serious about enforcing privacy policies and not just have completely toothless theater about it.
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in reply to LostWanderer • • •I'd definitely like someone to champion an open-weights model under 32 GB. But part of that desire is - I'm not sure they're there, yet. Local models are only a few months behind, but hoo boy, the last few months have been big.
Coding models could be tiny, but distilled versions keep preserving pop-culture knowledge and world history, when reasoning through C++ requires essentially none of that. It needs the tokenization to recognize why a comment begins "Jesus Christ." It's fine for "treat the hash like Lot's wife" to go completely over its head. Keep the weights that know a regex for e-mails, not the capitol of Florida. If it speaks a dead language I want it to be Algol.
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in reply to cm0002 • • •Almost anyone can cut and paste a face on a different body using a classic photo editor.
It still takes a profesional to do it in a way that delivers a quality result.
Linus Torvalds is a professional, the linux terminal is his baby, if we can trust anyone on this, its him.
The amateurs using ai to produce slop that resembles what we perceive as quality, is sometimes hard to tell but 25 years ago people though half life 1 looked insanely realistic and that graphics could not possibly look any more real. Over time our brains will adapt and we will be able to tell slop from real work in a heartbeat. I bet most people here can already tell if a mail was written by an llm and not audited by a human with ease.
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in reply to webghost0101 • • •I can vouch for that: As a programmer, I can generally see both programming AI and general LLM use if it was copy-pasted. I know a guy who isn't a programmer who've used Claude Code to make an app, and things are working, but it's sooo clear even to a junior SE that it's vibe-coded. There's a clear lack of consistency, architecture, maintainability, and general human readability.
However, if the code/text was reviewed and edited by a capable human programmer, it's incredibly difficult to single out what is a product of AI and not.
Actual programmers who understand and can write code themselves who use AI simply as a tool, NOT a shortcut, will produce indistinguishable code. Linus is an incredibly smart and capable guy, and for specific uses, I'm confident in him using this tool responsibly.
(The ethics of AI use is a different topic however...)
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in reply to nixfreak • • •Pretty much the whole point of every invention in the industrial revolution.
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in reply to MangoCats • • •Absolutely not. Lots of thing were created to make jobs faster and more importantly faster.
Take the simple washing machine for example. Early iteration, before electric washing machine, caused a lot of injuries because people would get their arm stuck in the machine's mechanism.
So by creating the modern washing machine, we freed lot of time for people to do less menial stuff and made their life safer by not having your arm pushing clothes through a dangerous machine.
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in reply to MangoCats • • •Definitely. I just hope that sooner rather than later it's possible for them all to move over to local open source models. Supporting wasteful content thieves is not sustainable.
That and that all the GPU manufacturers Etc have their sound blaster moment. These days a lot of socs have quite powerful Graphics accelerators on them. At some point, someone's going to release a bit of silicon equivalent to the AC 97. May not have been able to compete with sound blaster on the ridiculously high end of the market. But was good enough for 99% of tasks. So that most people don't even remember sound blaster anymore. Even though they still technically exist.
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in reply to Eldritch • • •I have been using "onboard graphics" professionally in our products, including products which do 3D rendering, since 2014.
I think GPUs have a little longer life than sound blaster cards still in them, massive arrays of relatively simple CPUs have more purposes than just graphics rendering.
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in reply to Eldritch • • •I searched what sound blaster is, but I don't really understand it. Are they a company that made audio cards in the ancient times? I think I remember some people said that having audio cards was not standard.
Their website seems to have weird hardware targeted at gamers.
Maybe they sell audio interfaces? But I'm confused why gamers of all people would be the target group. I got an audio interface for my guitar myself and some MIDI things.
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in reply to PlexSheep • • •Back in the DOS days and early windows days. They were one of the gold standards for PC audio. Even if you didn't own a sound blaster card, you likely owned a clone that emulated one. They were the bees knees so to speak when it came to PC gaming.
But by the late 90s the company had spread itself so thin on branding and other things. Sound blaster CDROM drives? Yep. Sound blaster video cards? Yep. Etc Etc Etc. They tried to parlay being a lucky defacto standard into something else. Wanted to be a premium brand. Prices go up, quality goes down. Kinda like Nvidia now. Fake frames, AI slop, shitting on traditional customers.
Turn of the century and a standard set in 97 finally started rolling out on consumer motherboards. No longer when you bought your computer if you wanted it to make anything more than basic beeps boops and buzzes. Did you have to go out and spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get an ad in card. It was on board. On the motherboard.
The newest computer I own is an early ryzen from the previous Dark Times. Not to be confused with these dark ti
... Mostrar másBack in the DOS days and early windows days. They were one of the gold standards for PC audio. Even if you didn't own a sound blaster card, you likely owned a clone that emulated one. They were the bees knees so to speak when it came to PC gaming.
But by the late 90s the company had spread itself so thin on branding and other things. Sound blaster CDROM drives? Yep. Sound blaster video cards? Yep. Etc Etc Etc. They tried to parlay being a lucky defacto standard into something else. Wanted to be a premium brand. Prices go up, quality goes down. Kinda like Nvidia now. Fake frames, AI slop, shitting on traditional customers.
Turn of the century and a standard set in 97 finally started rolling out on consumer motherboards. No longer when you bought your computer if you wanted it to make anything more than basic beeps boops and buzzes. Did you have to go out and spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get an ad in card. It was on board. On the motherboard.
The newest computer I own is an early ryzen from the previous Dark Times. Not to be confused with these dark times. So I don't have first-hand experience. But it is my understanding that Intel integrated Graphics isn't quite the joke is that it used to be. Just a bastard stepchild that Intel can't decide if they really want to support of not. And some AMD chips have an APU on it which is similar. But still chokes under anything very intense. It's getting close. But just not quite. Give us a truly standardized setup with the basic power of a mid 2010s graphics accelerator and vulkan api, most people would be in business.
Honestly I'm hoping something along this line happens and becomes common with risc-v systems. Like Mali with arm.
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in reply to threeonefour • • •Only in the sense using a calculator makes you worse at long division. You're still doing math.
Every pearl-clutching article like 'doctors got worse at spotting cancer when we gave them a tool and then took it away' is only measuring before and after. None of them seem interested in asking: how much more cancer did they find, with the tool?
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in reply to bad1080 • • •Weird how software engineers are better at 'being replaced' than novices. They seem to get better results by knowing what it's supposed to be doing.
What a funny coincidence.
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Using AI for Just 10 Minutes Erodes Your Ability to Persist at Hard Things | Research UC Berkeley
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in reply to bad1080 • • •They should run the test with calculators, because they'll see the same effect. Turns out that giving people a tool to make things trivial, and then taking that tool away, halfway through the goddamn exam, is a lot more frustrating than just asking them to do some algebra on paper.
'Bicycling for just ten miles makes walking back seem like a pain in the ass.'
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in reply to mindbleach • • •AI is not a tool it is a replacement, there’s no skill in using AI
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in reply to webghost0101 • • •It’s already too late. He’s gone down the rabbit hole.
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in reply to nialv7 • • •My subjective opinion is that yeah it is unethical, but not more then so many other things we normalised.
Systematicly slaughtering animals for meat for example.
I am not a vegitarian by any means. You cannot fight on all fronts at once and have to pick your own battles in context of your own lifes challenges.
Cars poison the air and kill many people, i dont drive a car for that reason because thats a fight i can fight. I have sensativities with food, so i am not cutting out meat. (I aim to do so some day)
I moved to linux some years ago by getting help from an llm which requires datacenters build by malicious companies. I don't have a google or meta account and my cloud and media is hosted locally on recycled hardware. Where for others those services require datacenters build by malicious companies.
Life is various shades of grey.
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