I should make a list of FOSS apps, projects, and services that have Fediverse accounts and don't code with AI, then strike them from the list with a big ELIMINATED notice if they do start drinking the slop kool-aid.

EDIT: Made one fedidevs.com/s/MTA2OA/

Honorary mentions
infosec.exchange/@catsalad/117341552145650963


Some honorable slop-free mentions (only missing due to accounts not set as discoverable)

@appmanager
@ecolibre
@readeck


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in reply to Wilfried Klaebe

@wonka One of the primary reasons monopoly and oligarchy are so harmful is because once they get to that point it is impossible to fully avoid them.

Our 401ks probably make money for Musk, and I donโ€™t think thereโ€™s much any of us can do to change that. As we establish our own positions, we should make sure weโ€™re keeping in mind that nobody gets a say in most of this, and that Elon is now his own systemic problem needing a systemic solution.

in reply to manchicken

@wonka I donโ€™t think we can create positive social change by canceling people or projects based solely on the use of a social media platform.

It also may be a good idea to note that most of the handles on Twitter bridges are dormant or bots, especially with many Twitter users leaving Twitter not having the ability to delete the bridge user. You may be righteously canceling someone based on an abandoned bridge handle.

ziglang.org/news/0.11.0-postponed-again/

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

add me, please. i'm a FOSS AI-free game console :)

Home page: fireflyzero.com/
Source code: github.com/firefly-zero
AI policy: docs.fireflyzero.com/internal/ai/

in reply to Nullstring ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ
@Nullstring ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ The worst part: I already boycott AI (and many other things) in a general basis, I'm merely fatalist about AI being fated to infiltrate most free software projects because the influence is so well financed compared to the FLOSS community. If being realistic about the stakes makes me look like a "stealth AI supporter", then that means there are millions of those.
in reply to Carlos Solรญs

@csolisr look how desperately you feel like you need to qualify and justify your lack of conviction lol, by your own measure there are plenty of places for you and no one here wants your cult bullshit disguised as "concern"

just fly off into the wind like your integrity

in reply to Nullstring ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ

@csolisr "im merely a fatalist" no, you're not, youre out here actively discouraging people with more self esteem and personal conviction than you because you are mired in shame for lacking the same quality. you need everyone to be in the mud with you because you yourself lack the strength of will to not have climbed in to begin with.

where is your heart, your will, what do you do with your power? surrender?! pathetic. disgusting. permanent mute.

in reply to Freeeeeeeeeeeeee

@freeplay@catsalad

No, our point isn't to shame projects that use AI, and rather to highlight those which don't.

See starlightnet.work/posts/the-no-ai-list.html which goes over why I started the list and what the approach/philosophy behind it is

in reply to Alexia

@freeplay@catsalad
Historically, the projects that got removed from the list fell into one of two categories

- Projects which's ban depended purely on licensing or was a temporary measure (maybe QEMU or OpenJDK in the future)
- Projects which had a policy discussion wherein people which use AI pushed for a more lenient policy (think bevy)

other cases are rare, moreso exceptions than the norm

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

@alexia @freeplay

Hi, I saw my project was on the list. I just want to clarify that novelWriter does not accept generated content, for much the same reasons as others (licensing) and also because it's usually crap code and we don't want it. But our policy isn't strictly No-AI in that we don't say you cannot use AI assistants in your code editor. On narrow scope edits these tools mostly just replicate/mirror existing code (hard to check), and they also have non-coding use cases.

in reply to Veronica Olsen

@alexia @freeplay

We have an internal AI policy in our project, but I just posted a public one for clarification.

Personally, I'm very critical of the AI industry, so I try to set a policy that is actually enforceable in practice. But I'm immersed in this technology at work whether I want to or not, and for all its problems it is helpful for *some* things.

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in reply to viq

@viq@freeplay@catsalad

RE: borgmatic
don't think so! this still clearly says Please do not use AI agents to modify this codebase.
Weirdly enough it then...still lists out interesting parts of the codebase?? but I think I can write that off as an oddity more than anything

RE: readeck

sure why not :)
if ya can show me where their policy is ofc

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

Just found this: Fork of KPXC without LLM commits: codeberg.org/ChiPass/ChiPass

Also, this is the opposite of what you asked for, but many entries have alternatives.

codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

well, I looked into Forgejo as a potential base for my project, but there are over 2k open issues in their repo, and some of them are over two years old. Honestly, the only way for them to keep up would be employing a clanker.

My project would require new features in it, but there's no chance they would be implemented within Forgejo, and myself I'm bad at golang.

I'll probably implement it from scratch, using Claude as a coder, as I don't have a budget to hire a full time developer (it's not even a commercial project).

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

I absolutely love that you did this, thank you so much.

As is the nature of social dynamics, the projects who breach trust are the ones that get the most attention. And it is right that they get it, but a steady stream of disappointment is exhausting.

Seeing this all combined in one place tickled a circuit in my brain that hasnโ€™t been active since the creative and the weird and the optimistic started embracing the web in the late nineties.

Thank you!

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

I would differentiate between using AI vs using what these losers call โ€œAgentic AIโ€ which is nothing more than neglecting your own agency.

I use multiline autocomplete, a chat tab as a search on steroids and targeted medium-sized function/block generation. All powered by local models.

And I donโ€™t think Iโ€™m using โ€œAIโ€ in a way that wasnโ€™t possible 10 years ago already. And this didnโ€™t hurt software development nor the planet nor my cognitive skills.

A doubt: Iโ€™m developing a Grammarly alternative that uses rules + local LLMs. But with the aforementioned workflow, do I qualify for the list?

in reply to Carlos (๋ช…์ค€)

@iscarlosmolero yeh, sorry even local, open weights etc are a problem.

Where do they come from, does knowing you use #localAI help normalise it, encourage other uses (with harmful effects).

I won't argue because even if you are the one person who's #LLM use genuinely isn't doing direct harm, do you want to risk secondary harm of helping tech fascism and the inevitable genocide that will flow from it? Have you read how it is inherently fascist tech?

Food for you to chew on.

@0x0 @catsalad

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

Chimera linux? They are highly critical regarding high-quality code to the point of using a free-bsd userland and designing their custom ecosystem around dinit, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are anti-AI-slop.

They even created a rather high-performace build and packaging system...

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in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

do i see KDE on the list? i am not sure about that right now...

(kinda relatedly but not the same, this site exists and has fedi links for many people as opposed to projects, which is cool, but it's hard to tell what project(s) they're associated with
handcraftedcode.org/ )

in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)
codeberg has codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware that tries to show the last safe commit/release too.
Right now, it's looking like curl and sql adjacent things will be the hardest to address. There are alternatives though, and I'm currently using preslop versions.
in reply to Cat ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿฅ— (D.Burch)

Maybe you could put the ones eliminated too, maybe with something like a red cross? Because it's difficult to know if an app isn't there because it uses genAI, or only because you missed it.

Which leads to my question: does @gotosocial uses genAI? I don't think so, but you never know these days.