Optimists of Lemmy, what gives you hope about the future?


I obviously have none, so I'd like to see if I can mooch off of you lol.

Please don't leave any pessimistic top level comments. Or do, I'm not your mom 🤷‍♂️.

in reply to CheerfulPassionFruit

Getting together with other like-minded individuals and actually doing something with immediate results like this has been such a huge help for me personally.

Just achieving something, no matter how small, and doing it with others that have a similar vision of what a better future is I feel is such a great mood booster.

I got involved with wild animal rescue 2 years ago, and being around such cool people is awesome, and each life we save is undeniably making our local ecosystem healthier and stronger.

in reply to scripty
Long term statistics show that humanity is and will keep progressing. Remember that this called the black plague or the fall of the largest empire in history or the dark ages after? Did humanity go back to being apes in caves? The planet might be going through some scary changes, but humanity will survive this rough patch too.
in reply to ieightpi
It is also increasingly peaceful compared to the past. Yes, we have constant wars but some regions that used to be continuously at war have spent the better part of a century at peace and even set up lasting treaties. There is still a long ways to go of course, but overall it is still getting better.
in reply to ieightpi
Nothing you just named can come anywhere near climate change in terms of severity. Humanity (and the majority of complex organisms) won't survive climate change, but the planet will. In a million years it will be like we were never here, and life can start over. That's the kind of pragmatic optimism that I find comforting.
in reply to farmgineer
So would your rather we not have modern medicine, electricity, democracy over serfdom? What about cultural values where people are treated equal? Living past 40? I mean c'mon man I don't know what kind of day your having and I'm sorry if it's been rough for you lately. But you most definitely live a better life because of human progress.
in reply to ieightpi
The presupposition is that the existence and spread of humans is itself something good. I don't agree with that and find no positivity therein. The people who cried "never again" are ignoring, enabling, or even participating in genocides and the repression of others. There's an environmental disaster going on lead by governments and oligarchs. Inequality in the countries I've lived in has gotten worse in my life, not better. Human rights in many parts of the world continue to be stripped and cultural genocide happens. That's not progress. "Maybe in a couple thousand years, if the species doesn't destroy itself, things might mostly be equal and good and healthy" does nothing to bring positivity to my life, particularly when there is no indication of that happening.
in reply to farmgineer

But why rain on people's parade? we are all having a rough life right now and doing our best to get through it. Everyone should find solice in what helps be happy in life.

That's kinda the whole point of living. Being happy and finding meaning.

If this perspective doesn't help you, that's fine. But to hound people for theirs positivity because it doesn't align with your thinking is just part of the problem.

We shouldn't be treating each other shitty, we should all be trying to pull each other up. Dont let this oligarchs you talk about win by treating others poorly.

in reply to scripty

Nothing humans have ever done is unprecedented or even the worst example in nature. Chaining the atmosphere and causing climate change and mass extinction? Cyanobacteria laugh at humans.

Think plastic is bad? Early trees evolved millions of years before any bacteria or fungi could digest them. Early trees didn't rot, and they covered the land' clogged the rivers and oceans; and led to continent-wide wildfires. (they also sequestered so much carbon it caused an ice age).

Even what we do to each other isn't close to the worst examples in nature. Male bedbugs have a reproductive strategy called "traumatic insemination" wherein their stinger-like penis can just stab the female any where on her body. The females have a 25% higher mortality due to being stab-raped.

in reply to yesman

The plastic thing has interested me for a long time. I bet my grandkids will be horrified at our casual use. Plastic wrapped single potatoes?! AHH! But nature can't ignore that monster energy source for long.

The Deepwater Horizon power dumped oil into the Gulf of Mexico. Scientists predicted decades of devastation. It was a big deal at the time, but nature healed almost supernaturally fast. (Not discounting the monstrous human effort!) We didn't think Gulf seafood would be edible for 10+ years, but even filter-feeding oysters where quick to be deemed safe.

Oil-eating microbes showed out and chowed down. After all, oil leaks were a natural thing long before humans, the bacteria were always there. This event was a feast. Nature can't let a compact energy source go to waste. :)

in reply to scripty

Anthony Scaramoochi (or however he spells his name... yes, that guy) said it best. To paraphrase:

"Young people. The boomer generation (my generation), and all the losers associated with it spent all their political power in ruinous ways, and only emboldened the next generations in their political convictions and you already see a lot of them pointing correctly at where the faults lie, and how the geritocracy serves nobody"

Of all people to give an interesting interview lately, I really did not expect it to be him. You can find it pretty easily on youtube. It was called "38 minutes with..." or something like that. Maybe it was 28 minutes.


In other words, below a certain age, there is overwhelming support in working together for a better future for everyone. The current political class will die out with no heritage beyond everyone knowing how badly they fucked up.

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in reply to neidu4

They basically have already...

But the corpse of James Carville will always stumble on.

But they lost the DNC, and progressives pretty much swept the primaries.

Even if you think the current DNC is just lying and the same as any neoliberal , he ran Minnesota for a decade. If his political goal is stop progress, he's comically inept at it.

Either way, it's a progressive wave and a 2028 presidential primary a progressive can easily win.

in reply to scripty
I've been really struggling at work lately. I'm not ready to retire but it sucks so bad and I'm super stressed over it. I spent yesterday cleaning out 95% of my 15k emails. Seeing so many messages from longtimers that have moved on made me realize that we all come and go and maybe it's time for me to go- and it doesn't have to be in an "I'm outta here!" way; just looking for a change.
in reply to echo

You're right.

"Soon" means different things to different people, and I would not hazard to define when. But no matter which way you time it, between the failing body he inhabits, the murderous inner circle of sycophants who all want his power, the crimes he openly commits, the women and girls he has wronged, and the sheer number of paybacks both large and small that this motherfucker is racking up daily around the world, I completely agree: dude is not long for this earth.

There will be a day when this world is again a place without him in it, where the madness of yesterday turns into cold revulsion at the memory of the disease he was, where they stop running his pictures in the media because he is no longer among the living, where his name gets mentioned less and less, and every time it does it is necessarily in the past tense and people here are bitching that anyone is still talking about him.

Goddamn I feel better already, lol

in reply to carrylex

I often bring up that traditional and social media reporting doesn't reflect reality because only the unusual is reported. Self-driving Tesla flattens a dude in the dark? BIG NEWS. Same happens with a regular car, not a blip on your local station.

Wildly frivolous lawsuit? Oh yeah, you gonna hear about it. You won't hear about the thousands of idiots who got shot down before they're off the phone with their lawyer and the thousands that judges toss, nor the millions where everything works as expected.

Man shoots his family? National news. Same family gets smeared off the interstate? Another local blip.

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in reply to scripty

What works well thrives, loves, lives and prosper. What doesn't and hates, eventually is superseded, or destroys itself, or shrinks and dies.
This applies to ideas, political movements, civilizations and even species.
Life is a self-organizing mechanism, operating throughout the universe, that, although for a time produces suffering, does eventually find solutions against illnesses. By doing so, it rearranges itself into better configurations.

i do want to believe in a better future and because of that i don't even believe that the Big Bang Theory, with its conclusion of the heat death of the universe, is entirely true.

in reply to scripty

I do believe that most things will get better in the end. Maybe not everything, and maybe not as quickly as you like. Maybe some things get worse before they get better. But for every one thing that gets worse, two things do get better.

Consider where humanity was 100, 200, 300, 400 years ago. Every generation ends up being better off than the last.

in reply to VibeSurgeon

I like this one! Trump's admin is trying to slam the breaks, but they can only control federal money, imports and federal land. The market, from the big dogs on down, demands green energy. Forget global warming for a moment, there are perfectly selfish reasons the market wants cheap energy.

Look at little ol' me. My power bill is hilariously low, probably $90 this month, but I still want at least some solar. They can cut the tax rebate, but they can't stop me. Also, I'm in the county, no one will ever know if I put "porch power" in my backyard.

in reply to VibeSurgeon

This always inspires me, even if admittedly the USA burned its chances of being a global leader in that space in the last 5 years or so.

Biden tried to make it a red state industry, and had a lot of buy-in from senators that wanted the jobs. But, they chose hatred-suicide with Trump. Others will take over, just sad America won’t really be a part of it.

in reply to TheMinions
Fixing the ozone layer was fucking awesome! But bear in mind, it's not "fixed" after these couple of decades. We only stopped making it worse. Global warming will take centuries to reverse before we turn the tide on CO2 and CH4 emissions. I know that sounds cynical and, "You can't predict future tech!", but I can predict there is no magical way to pull 100s of billions of pounds of carbon out the air.
in reply to scripty
in reply to scripty
I'm believing that super intelligent AI will be here in about 25 years (maybe sooner, maybe later). When that comes , I won't have to work anymore. Maybe we get terminators, maybe we get fully automated gay space communism. Either way, no more work. 👍
in reply to Evil_Incarnate

It's funny, I agree with you and that is specifically what does not give me hope.

My biggest fear is that we won't get terminators, or that we'll get UBI and no one will have to work anymore.

In either case, Sisyphus will no longer have a boulder to push and that is a nightmare.

in reply to RumRunningDevil
I've been out of work for 2-years. It's no fucking picnic. No boulder, no motivation for me. Only thing that got me going lately was my wife's request for a fish tank. Digging out and cleaning the old gear, plus a pretty large living space reorg kept me going to a couple of days. More to come! I need to get that smart power switch working... brb.
in reply to shalafi

Yeah see, this is the problem.

The post scarcity "pursue your passions" model doesn't work unless you're an actual hedonistic degenerate. For the rest of us this is an actual nightmare. I am really not looking forward to the day when I don't need to work.

in reply to RumRunningDevil
Lemmy feels like young people hating the shit world they've inherited. They have shit jobs and think they would be better doing nothing. I get that feeling! But not having a useful purpose is awful. And then they think they'll invent some useful purpose for themselves. Well, successful entrepreneurs and people who truly make a social difference are rare. It's like thinking you'll be one of the few left fighting the zombies.
in reply to Malica
yes, but at the same time I feel bad for kids. We are handing everything to tnem in a destryed and broken state, including their education and the economy they will need to survive. There is also less joy and authenticity in the world as the boomers break everything in one last fit of cvhildishness and self enteredness before they kick the bucket. They have taught the world to be shitty to each other.
in reply to scripty

History gives me hope. It's funny/not-funny seeing people on Western social media freak out like this is the end of all things. Human history is cyclic, and America in particular is on a monster downswing. Consider Europe in 1940 vs. 1960 vs. 1990 vs. 2020. Pretty radical changes for the better! China's up to bat to run the 21st century. Let's see how that plays.

Global warming is the only new thing in the room. But humans are the AR-15s of the animal world. Not the best at anything, but multi-purpose and wildly adaptable for whatever use case is required. Humans now live in places where even insects can't hang! We'll be fine. Eventually.

in reply to scripty
in reply to Marn

Yes. Because they got greedy and tried to do the fast grab, they got the average person's attention and we actually have a chance.

I just watched a Guardian short of Tel Aviv, where thousands (their number) are marching in the streets ahead of the Israeli elections, wanting Netanyahu out. What was most telling were the people they stopped to talk with, who all seem aware of just how involved Netanyahu was in the events of October 7 and keeping the war going: the people marching want peace in their region, and they recognize that Bibi is war. One guy was saying something like, "We've been through October 7th, and the fact that the government that is responsible for it are even running again is insane. They should have been gone like the day after."

It's a far cry from the nationalistic shit we get fed daily on the other side of the world, to say the least. People are waking up. And the more they do, the better chance we have.

in reply to ChunkMcHorkle

I think a lot of what they are doing has been planned for decades but it does feel rushed. All of the war mongering factions are making moves like they won't be able to do it if they don't act now. Thankfully a lot of their structures are controlled by incompetent fools and nepo babies

They know the world is going to change a lot over the next few decades and they want to control that as much as possible. I sometimes wonder if they know something major is coming, like the gulf stream clasping or another major climate event.

When the people stand as one there won't be much they can do. They are quite adept at keeping us fighting each other though

in reply to Marn
I don’t think they could’ve ever made it this far if they didn’t rush. There’s no logic to their endpoint, and many of their coalition members are motivated by urgency and immediate results. Anyone who was asked to slow down, or given a moment to think through the logic, would’ve turned against them.
in reply to scripty

Im just born like this tbh

I was in the ICU for six months once, even on what every probability said was going to be my deathbed I was hopeful a new set of lungs would come and I would get my transplant, and they did. I had one moment in those six months where I really did think “this could be it” but even that, it was a maybe, I always had hope. I think I would have died hopeful.

For me it’s just an inborne trait or at least a trait I developed so early I don’t remember not being like this

in reply to scripty
All of this will pass. You won't necessarily be able to control any of the variables outside of your own life, but living a virtuous life isn't about becoming the leader of a country or amassing gigantic wealth. It's about doing the right thing, for yourself and others, when it's time to make decisions. I take solace in that. I may not always make the perfectly right decision, but as long as I'm generally guided by what's right, especially when it's a difficult path to take, I will have lived a good life.
in reply to scripty

There's one thing that's happened this year that inspired actual hope in me.

I made a video about Flock buying out their employees and, in researching it, learned that Flock (as of a month ago) had lost nearly 400 contracts in 36 states. An independent outfit is tracking it because, obviously, major media outlets don't want to talk about the unpopularity of fascism.

Thing is, this accelerated last summer, which means a lot of people who are otherwise apolitical are going to city council meetings and doing boring, pedestrian and effective political organizing for a good cause.

That is objectively a good thing.

in reply to scripty

Global warming cannot cause humanity to go extinct. Nuclear war cannot cause humanity to go extinct. Population decline cannot cause humanity to go extinct.

If you think any of these are possible, you do not know enough about global warming, nuclear war, or population decline.

In short, things may get very, very, very bad. But hope springs eternal. And there are very, very few scenarios that won't leave many millions of people alive to pick up the pieces.

in reply to scripty

There's a quote from HBO's Chernobyl series:

To be a scientist is to be naive. We are so focused on our search for the truth we fail to consider how few actually want us to find it. But it is always there whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not. The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants, it doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. And this, at last, is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask: What is the cost of lies?


All these fucking guys who've made monsters of themselves to pretend they're our masters - they'll all fail. Their lies are a patchwork of tapestries meant to hide from reality. The bigger it gets, the more it wants to fall. Pull a thread, watch it unravel.

in reply to scripty
There's a Bluesky thread (yes I know) going where people are contributing things that have gotten better in their lifetimes, and there really are a lot of things there. Things are still improving, there will always be setbacks and things left to fight for, but it isn't impossible, things aren't hopeless.
in reply to scripty

This is a bit trite, but there are a lot of delicious foods to eat, and so many cats to give scritches to. Concerts to hear. Songs to sing.

I was at the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix and they had a violin made out of literal trash. It's a testament to people's resilience and yearning to create. There are so many wonderfully creative people out there, I'll never have the time to consume the every good bit, especially when I feel well enough to create stuff of my own. I love seeing the things people, especially people I care about, create.

in reply to scripty
Every day I learn a little more about the world and that generally fills me with optimism, depending on what I learn. If I learn about history, it helps make sense of the current situation. If I learn about psychology it helps me understand myself and others. If I learn about science it helps with my job and all of the above. If I spend a lot of time in news stories and politics it seems to have the opposite effect and I become pessimistic and negative. I'm limiting my exposure to those things. I stopped using mainstream social media 10+ years ago. I go out in nature, do exercise, sleep, eat vegetables and cook food with my daughter. We make fun of each other and share jokes. If I can do all of those things consistently, I can be optimistic. It's not always possible and that's also to be expected.
in reply to scripty

I think Gen X and younger are, overall, better at dealing with emotional issues than their parents and grandparents. Granted, there's definitely still room for improvement.

But it's no longer considered socially acceptable (much less preferable) to use your kids as a piñata to vent your anger on instead of seeking therapy. It's also far more common for parents to show physical and verbal affection toward their kids. Something my (boomer) parents virtually never did. Probably because that's the dynamic they were taught.

I dont have any firm evidence to back this claim up, but conversations with parents that are relatively close to me in age has shown that I'm not the only one who has observed this trend.

in reply to scripty

Sometimes it's just enough to be kind myself and get a genuine smile in reaction.

Being kind to cashiers, giving up my seat to the elderly, holding the door for someone or having a trans person seem relieved and sit next to me on the train because the see the flag on my jacket.

It's the little things that keep our society together.

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in reply to scripty
All of this push for global fascism and tightening of chains across the world is actually an extinction burst that's happening precisely because the world is waking up. The oligarchs see one last chance to hold onto power before the common people flip the board.
in reply to scripty
Sorry, I can't be optimist anymore. Been laid off again, 3 days after my GF lost her job too. I have a mortgage and we have 2 teenagers about to go to college. That job I was laid off from took me 9 months to find, and after only 4 months they closed the department. Meanwhile everything gets more expensive. I'm at the end of my rope.
in reply to scripty

History.

No really looking at all the crazy stuff that happened in the past, you realize these aren't unprecedented times, at least as far as tragedy goes, but the truly unprecedented part is how much less shitty things are in comparison. Not even with technology but with social progress.

It doesn't feel like it but when you think that within the lifetime of people alive we had segregated bathrooms and pools and that seems insane now, that's at least some hope.