Why Does Nobody Use Lemmy?


This is not going to be a blogpost about "Why do people still use Reddit instead of everyone moving to Lemmy?". I noticed that even with Mastodon users, who already understand and like the advantages of decentralized platforms, the usage of Lemmy is extremely small, and more people use Reddit. Most of them haven't even heard of Lemmy. To be fair, the Reddit usage also seems to be fairly low.
in reply to PriorityMotif
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in reply to PriorityMotif

Exactly! I'd be curious to see the reverse poll, asking Lemmy users "Why does nobody use Mastodon?" (and include Bluesky and Twitter in the poll.)

I use Lemmy (and in the past Reddit) because topic based conversation is what makes sense to me. Anytime I try to use Mastodon or Bluesky I lurk for a bit and then just come back here.

in reply to PixeIOrange
I think it's too empty a lot of times. Mainstream topics are nicely populated but a vast amount of specific communities are just one person posting links over and over with a handful of upvotes and zero comments. Sometimes I see posts here and have to go to Reddit to see what the community thinks about it, because on Lemmy the post is completely dead.
in reply to eremophila
This is the thing right here. Enjoy Lemmy as it is. There's plenty of people here. The more people there are, the more it's going to suck. Be glad Lemmy isn't Reddit. I sure as fuck am. Lemmy is exactly the right size. Well, maybe it could double or triple and there would be more content and that would be a net positive, but anything more than that and it's going to start devolving into the same cesspool that Reddit has become.
in reply to HAL_9_TRILLION

As long as instance owners moderate, the trashy people will be forced too flock to instances that allow that type of behavior and then we can block those instances individually.

I left Reddit because of how the moderators got pissed on, not the community. I just never went to /r/popular and enjoyed my life. My mod tools were removed from me and I can't be assed to get their shitty app. I'd rather put my time somewhere that I'm not being used for free labor while also being sold as a product.

in reply to HAL_9_TRILLION
I don't know if more people make lemmy automatically more shitty.
After all this community started with a few hand fulls of reddits banned political extremists which tended to be the most annoying part at reddit (at least for me).
New users at lemmy learn pretty quickly to ignore/ban pricks.
I'd hope we get more content (and again advise anyone alread here to share their interests by posting in the dedicated communities).
in reply to HM King Charles III DG FD
The main issue with reddit, as with every other large platform is the quality of the people using it. They are made worse by the platform itself, but the platform would not be able to be so bad, if the people were not predominantly trash.
in reply to HM King Charles III DG FD

I guarantee there are many bad people here, because... humans.
It's all about percentages though I guess, at this point a lot of lemmy users wanted something different, something 'better', but at some point most lemmy users will just be here because everyone else is here, at which point the decent people will have found the next lemmy (this has already happened no doubt).

It's partially the platform, partially the moderators, partially the people using it

in reply to squirrel
in reply to squirrel

The real answer, that we all know but dare not speak, is that it's miserable here.

Once you've blocked the tankies, porn, and militant dweebs, it's wall to wall politics and titty memes.

I'm here because I'm also a miserable asshole.

in reply to Obituarykidney

My main reason for looking for alternatives. Wanted to stop my morning coffee doom scrolling to consist of only US politics… if you can call it politics that is… Lemmy fits the bill.

As someone has said before, I agree with a bit of lack on on-boarding, you need to be a little bit more insistent on setup to ensure you get the communities you want. Not hard, but can definitely imagine that would stop some from trying out lemmy any further.

in reply to Obituarykidney

Honestly I do look at American politics with amusement. When I was younger I always thought my country was shitty and western world is a shining palace, and reddit and Lemmy broke that illusion of mine.

More I look at your politicians, I realised yours and mine aren't as different as one might think they are. Like yes, you got better infrastructure and civic sense, yet in some ways we're in same boat.

in reply to majster
When you signup on piefed.social it asks you something like "do you want to see posts about US politics?" And if you don't want to see them, it gives you a filter that hides/dims posts that have "Trump" in the title lol it's pretty effective. It's configurable but the server admin so not every instance will have it, but they might have something similar.
in reply to im_fine_sandy

I really don't know why I'm still here, because I'm not a miserable asshole, at least not in the way that makes you enjoy being around Lemmy's userbase.

I want the technology to succeed but it feels like a victim of who's likely to even be interested.

in reply to angstylittlecatboy

Yeah.

I don't really think I'm an asshole but I'm certainly unhappy.

Misery loves company as they say.

I think I'm here because I crave the dopamine, but am not willing to log in to reddit or whatever else.

Basically it's the best option from a range of bad options.

in reply to SharkAttak

I don't like the way they said it, but I do see their point.

I don't get banned from places often, but I've literally had a guy just decide they didn't like my face and ban me from an instance.

And people 100% do sometimes act like you have to be completely in their comfort zone or you're a terrible person.

in reply to squirrel

I was on Reddit a long time, it wasn't always huge. Usenet forums before that. I like following topics, not people, and like hosting communities built around topics but would hate to have "followers" of myself personally, that sounds hellish. So never used Facebook, etc, and don't even love Mastodon, really.

But apparently this is a minority view?

in reply to RBWells

I'm with you. I also come from the Usenet days and much prefer to follow topics over people.

I do have some web forums that I visit from time to time but those have even less traffic than Lemmy.

I don't use Reddit at all now, so Lemmy is pretty much the only option for this style of topic based content. The ability to follow hashtags on Mastodon is kind of nice too. Unfortunately, people spamming unrelated hashtags on their posts can still be a problem.

in reply to squirrel
The people love algorithms, even if they don't admit that. Reddit and the other platforms invest a lot of money to make people more addicted, and it works. Lemmy on the other hand... well people quickly engage with lemmy.ml and think what the fuck is this place
in reply to AlligatorBlizzard
Diva seems like one of the less shitty .mls. The joke they are making is that the hostility people experience is a direct result of their thighs/ass being so phattt and not the inherent toxic gravity of .ml to disenfranchised would-be crybullies
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in reply to squirrel

Just gonna throw this out there: Lemmy is a bad and dumb name.

  1. It's a joke about users being lemmings
    • this subtly denegrates the user on every usage
    • this implies the app/product itself isn't that serious and sounds kinda childish


  2. It's not a satisfying word from a pronunciation standpoint. How many other company or product names can you think of that end with that ee sound? Reddit, Twitter, Threads, they all end with these conclusive consonant sounds. Lemmy sounds like it's trailing off while whining.
  3. At best it conjures up images of rat like rodents.
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in reply to masterspace
I don't think you're wrong but I question how much the name really matters. As a name, Reddit is also kind of confusing until someone explains the pun and has historically been seen as weird. Only reason it's not weird now is cause it's popular. The name "lemmy" could just as well see the same happen.
in reply to SorteKanin

I agree, Reddit's name isn't why people use it, but critically it doesn't hold people back from using it.

Reddit is a satisfying enough word, doesn't disparage it's users or sound like a childish joke, and doesn't conjure images of rats or rodents.

I don't love it but it is a much better name than Lemmy.

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in reply to masterspace
And somehow magically all corporate product names land the one you want and all fediverse or FOSS inventions land the one you don't? Come on it's a quite common, low-hanging fruit complaint. Besides, the domain space for naming things is unpredictable.
in reply to lambalicious
And somehow magically all corporate product names land the one you want


No, it's not magic, it's called marketing, market research, and psychology. There are literally billions of dollars that go into advertising, do you think they just magically come up with names?

all fediverse or FOSS inventions land the one you don't


Literally never once claimed that. Mastodon is a little long but at least it's satisfying and conjures up images of a big fuzzy creature instead of a rodent.

in reply to squirrel
  1. If you are just a basic prole who wants to use a forum and discuss today's issues, Lemmy seems to be a smaller version Reddit. How does it stand out?
  2. The name is awful. Twitter grew regardless of the awful name, so maybe this point is dumb. Also, avatar looks like a rat.
  3. Rainbow. If you want more users, expand your market. Rainbow in USA means Democrat LGB. Would you like more Christians and Muslims to join? Hindu?
  4. I'm a moron, not a programmer... but wouldn't a lot more users destroy Lemmy? From my reading of what other smarter people have said, growth would lead to exponential costs and isn't really feasible. I am not well read on this topic, so apologies.

I would guess that the founders made these design decisions to exclude normies, maybe that's also why they picked the name and selected the rat icon. In which case, everything is working as designed and all is well.

in reply to squirrel

"nobody", nearly 50k people.

Asking people on mastodon if they use lemmy also doesn't make much sense to me. I don't use mastodon because it's not threaded, people on mastodon probably don't use lemmy for a similar reason. I'm not sure how many people use both threaded and unthreaded platforms, but it feels to me like the two layouts attract different people.

in reply to squirrel

I kind of like this level of people as lemmy is less saturated and that's a good thing. Quite often when I was on reddit you'd look at a thread and everything that can be said has been said, so there's nothing new you can add.

I find myself commenting on lemmy a lot more because it's not saturated and that pun hasn't been done, the perspective hasn't been provided, the counterpoint to another comment hasn't been commented etc.

in reply to squirrel
Lemmy and Reddit usage are relatively low compared to their respective social media siblings. I've always believed the reason is in the difference in how they're structured. Most other social media is wired around people as the primary structural unit. "Who's saying what?" Reddit and Lemmy are instead wired around topics. "What are people saying about this?" And I assume the difference in popularity is evidence for how most people themselves are wired.
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in reply to Steve
Having seen and experienced the different platforms, I'd say Facebook and Twitter/X have much larger userbases, while Reddit is supposedly for people believing themselves to be "smarter" and above those social media platforms, and then Lemmy and Mastadon definitely more niche and heavily on the activist progressive side.
in reply to squirrel
A lot of people do use Lemmy. I dont get why so many people think something has to have literally everyone on earth using it or its dead. You see the same thing in games, too. Id rather there not be a singular monolirh even with lemmys fediverse design. The internet was better when it wasnt this way.
in reply to squirrel

If I had to guess: the culture here seems unusual, and unwelcoming — sometimes even hostile — to diverse opinions (i.e. people who aren't similarly unusual).

I haven't met many people IRL who would fit in here. For some visitors, that's okay (I don't fit in here, myself), but I think most people would just move along and forget that Lemmy exists.

Being federated, Lemmy is technically capable of being more diverse. It's a bit ironic that it still ended up being like this.


Also, some images don't load. I just ignore those, but still people might be put off by broken UX

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in reply to squirrel
Boiling it down to 3 things:
1. Content Scale & Variety - Lemmy has a lot of content but it's very tech/political heavy. It doesn't have much to offer outside of that domain. Meanwhile, there's a whole shitposting subreddit dedicated to an NFL conference -- I don't even closely follow professional American football, but it's glorious.
1. User Experience Friction - You can't just sign up, you need to pick a server. You've already lost a significant amount of people in that step.
1. User Base - There's nice folks on here, but some really sour the experience for the rest of us by being straight up hostile if we don't agree on every little detail.
in reply to bampop
I feel like this is an issue of (either accidentally or incidentally) putting focus on something that doesn't really need it. Picking instances should not matter; not in the sense of "it's federated blah blah" but more in the sense of "it's 2026, there's password managers, noone uses their real identities for everything; having multiple accounts wherever it's convenient should be normal".
in reply to dance_ninja
User Experience Friction - You can't just sign up, you need to pick a server. You've already lost a significant amount of people in that step.


I think this can be improved if there was a better way to explain the identity of each instance and why you might want to join other than just "generic Lemmy server for everyone to use"

Also if the random server a new user randomly joins is one of the tankie trifecta they're not gonna have a good time.

I suggest a map that shows which instances are federated/defederated from eachother and lets you find which one has the closest identity to what you like. And possibly a disclaimer before joining one of the trifecta instances.

Or just say fuck it and join the one literally called "shit just works" like me 😂

in reply to QuinnyCoded
Also if the random server a new user randomly joins is one of the tankie trifecta they're not gonna have a good time.


It's worse than that. Lemmy just as reddit is mostly American. American election results were kinda... interesting. And Lemmy is very-very-very polarised. So there's likely 33% chance that new American user will get to "politically their" instance, 33% chance they'll get to the instance on the other side of the spectrum, and 33% chance it doesn't matter what instance they'll end up at, they'll be terrified by both sides. So at best it's 33% chance for user to find their hivemind, realistically it's probably much less because even people technically from "your side" might find Lemmy to be way too radical. And that's just Americans, imagine how the rest 96% of the world react to Lemmy.

in reply to QuinnyCoded
Ideally, I think instances ought to be something the casual user can be unaware of. Like the default experience should be instance-independent and the choice of instance should be some trivial thing that you can change on a whim carrying your entire user identity and chat history with you. I don't really get any functional sense of community from my instance anyway
in reply to bampop

Being able to migrate an account between instances would help a huge amount. I am almost wishing we could agree on a default instance for all newcomers, but this would work to just centralize the user base so it's not a good solution. However, if account migration were implemented, there could be a sort of "first steps" or "training ground" instance that accepts all new users by default and only allows accounts to remain there for a set period of time before asking them to find a new instance to call home. This would let users who aren't interested in the technical details of federation get their feet wet and figure out which instance aligns with them before needing to make the choice.

This scheme would definitely require that new users have the option of signing up to a particular instance right away; no need for the default instance to be the only sign up option.

in reply to dance_ninja
Number 1 is the reason I rarely visit Lemmy. The choice and wording of political posts and reactions to them create a very negative atmosphere and sometimes it is combined with rather unrational doomerism. Threads just feel angry and hostile too often for me to have fun on here.
This is even after blocking instances, communities, keywords and some personal ublock rules.
in reply to dance_ninja

Haha there are in fact sixteen different NFL shitposting subreddits, one for each of the 16 different divisions. And each one is as active as just about any Lemmy community.

I agree on the other 2 points as well. Not only is it weird to have to pick an instance, the names and descriptions are off putting as well. You scroll through and several of the top ones are openly Marxist/leninist/leftist. 95% of people see that and are immediately put off. It sends a message that Lemmy is fundamentally for leftist agenda-posting, and a lot of users treat it that way. Click on any completely non-political-sounding community (like Movies or something), sort top all time and you will usually be greeted immediately by posts about Israel/Palestine or Donald Trump. Its exhausting honestly.

in reply to squirrel

In my opinion the following:

  1. Minority of very vocal users who get angry if you don’t share every point of their world view. Honestly you can just block most of them.
  2. Limited active subgroups - There are only a handful of active subs the rest are just dead. Which leads to…
  3. Limited content, posts stay in my feed for a week at a time before being replaced. I often block posts I like just because I’m sick of seeing it in my feed.
  4. Shitty moderation - mods here are way worse than Reddit.

I’ll be honest I miss old Reddit, Lemmy feels like an apocalyptic wasteland but it’s still better than most alternative. It’s kind of nice I don’t sit and consume content as much as I used to.

in reply to Dead_or_Alive
Minority of very vocal users who get angry if you don’t share every point of their world view. Honestly you can just block most of them.


THIS. I'm a progressive, egalitarian, socialist. I believe everyone deserves civil rights, but socially I don't give a fuck about furries or whatever fucking kink you have. Do not equate the fight that gays/trans people have fought for their rights to your weird fetishes anime drawings. This opinion gets me in trouble here.

in reply to Dead_or_Alive
I’ll be honest I miss old Reddit


Everyone does. Just like we all miss og Myspace or geocities sites. Old Reddit at its prime was a different time period. Can't recapture that just like you can't recapture the geocities era of the internet.

We're being enshittified. Lemmy is the least enshittified (thus far.)

in reply to undree

Naming something after a famous person means you're starting off on the back foot in terms of SEO and brand clarity.

Digg worked well because it came out of an era where adding a second G was enough to sound techy, but it also played into the dig/bury aspect of voting. Reddit works because the name is "read it" while also being a unique string you couldn't mistake for anything else. Both have a lot going for them that Lemmy just doesn't.

in reply to nullspace
Eh not that famous, I bet most people dont have any name associations with Lemmy except that it sounds kinda like "lemming". Which is sort of unfortunate though because lemmings (the de facto name for lemmy users) generally means crowd-following idiots. But as far as factors that inhibit the growth of lemmy go Id put the name way down the list.
in reply to nullspace

Disagree. This is a case of the brand actually not meaning much. "Reddit" isn't great either, but people think it does because it's well known.

I'm reminded of the person who said Mario was a character designed from the ground up to be marketable, when it was literally created to make a graphic of a person readable in a 16x16 sprite with three colors.

in reply to nullspace

It’s this plus onboarding. Reddit is easy to remember. It tells you exactly what you are getting. Lemmy sounds like a new lemmings games. It gives vintage when it should do the opposite.

It’s a bad name and will never become popular because it’s stupid to say outloud and on top of it onboarding is unnecessarily complicated.

in reply to Dalaryous
I think you guys have a great chance to capture Reddit's exodus. I used it for about 16 years and me and all of my friends have realized how awful it's become. People are looking for a new platform. I'm going to try and help by opening PRs against the repos.
in reply to Nowtayneicangetinto
Reddit has been exodusing for multiple years now. At some point, people are going to have to stop caring about the gorilla down the road and just be good, and I think Lemmy is good. Posts that make it to the front page often have over 1K reputation! It's far from Reddit big, but it's still big!
in reply to squirrel

It's because everything that becomes popular starts with people in the 14-20 year range.

Myspace, Facebook, Digg, Reddit, Instagram, Vine, Snapchat, Tiktok...

The Fediverse will eventually grow once something triggers a snowball effect due the nature of connectivity and federation. Until then, the way to make it grow is to have young people make it popular.

Edit: There also needs to be more "fun" here. I think the Fediverse is a more "serious" place which isn't what those other social media sites offered. "Serious 24/7" isn't that enticing for young people.

The other day I was imagining a game or game service that has you make a Fediverse account of some kind. You get people to signup with a username that automatically creates a "@fedi.games" account. That account can have access to Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed etc.

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in reply to dropdrip
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in reply to retromustache

Part of the problem is there's a lot less to it than it feels like there is. The analogies we use to teach to non-tech people don't quite match up.

It's simply a structured way to log in and send messages back and forth.

You can use it to stitch together forums, link shares, social media, video sharing, or image sharing sites.

But we really don't bind things together all that tightly. At best you can follow someone on pixelfed or mastodon. Since there's truly no minimum wiring, a lot of services don't even really fully communicate with each other. So we end up mostly with mastodon <-> mastodon links and lemmy->piefed<-lemmy links.

in reply to TubularTittyFrog

Yeah but thats better than most niche message boards back in their heyday. Probably better than y incubators message board to.

A big chunk of reddit traffic and users are bots. Another large segment are more recent arrivals from India (check out how many Indian topics make the front pages on the weekends when USA/UK traffic is low.) While I can't prove it I have a hunch that Spez hired a bunch of Indian clickfarms to pump the numbers before the IPO. Maybe he just promoted in India more to get an influx of users for the IPO or maybe they are mostly "social media marketers" hired to sell health/peptide supplements (seriously there are services that do that on Reddit so be careful ever taking any such advice from them.)

But my point is that the quality of users is pretty weak and I'm certain American advertisers have noticed by now. 300ish real, quality users is a better engagement metric than 6000 bots.

in reply to squirrel
I don't like the title cause there's a decently sized userbase here, but the article is good. If the article was something like "Why don't more people use Lemmy?" then I would share this on Reddit, but as-is most people will just read the headline and skip it.
in reply to squirrel
everytime an instance, or a community goes down or recieves too much drama(like how some users dint like the "political stance of a specific instance owners(not tankies)), they scatter to other platforms thats why. some went to piefed, and others. the last instance that went down, there was much more people lemmy, especially in some categories(not much but more than now)
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in reply to squirrel
I'd say we have too many reposts and not enough original content here. I mean you probably need to think about the value proposition. What does the Lemmyverse offer to someone from Mastodon? A lot of what we do is post the news and memes. And we got some Linux computer support. Now they already got all of that over on Mastodon. Oftentimes it won't even be a repost by some third party, but they get more original content because bloggers and comic artists post themselves over there. Along with some computer magazines and news outlets.
in reply to squirrel
sue 2: Users could agree on one community. Or (a functionality Lemmy doesn't have), similar communities could be grouped or linked together. Instead of choosing between Linux@lemmy.ml and Linux@lemmy.world, users could follow a combined “Linux” topic.


Doesn't PieFed do exactly that?

in reply to SorteKanin
Well you don't have to use it if you don't like it. Many people like it, it was a feature with high demand. Even without the feature I always check the crossposts for different comments, so it's the same thing just more convenient, no difference in "mono-culture"
in reply to SorteKanin

What do you think about the Mbin model? (linked an example post)


"Yes, no AI is now a feature" - LibreOffice / The Document Foundation


in reply to squirrel

How does the topic consolidation work, exactly? Does it only consolidate cross-posts, or does it also consolidate all posts from communities that have exactly the same name? The only documentation I can find is at join.piefed.social/features/ which just says:

Consolidated Comments – View all comments from multiple related posts on one page (example).
in reply to squirrel

The UX still has a long way to go.

I'm very tolerant of shitty tech and like a struggle, and even I am often like wtf.

Signed up to piefed.zip the other day, and the default feed is just horrendous

Most users will just quit instead of trying to figure out how to fix it manually.

No proper onboarding

in reply to Die4Ever
Default blocks are difficult, one of the things the dev of the Tesseract frontend got absolutely roasted for a few months ago was for how aggressive the block list was and blocking Blähaj just reeks of transphobia. (The primary issue was his lack of disclosure of the existence of the block list.) There is no low controversy way of making a default block list beyond what we already do with most instances defederating a couple of the most egregious instances.
in reply to realitista
Also removing/merging duplicate posts in the feed, it's crazy it doesn't do this yet.


This does exist in the default Lemmy UI, it's just a bit inconsistent. Also it's hard to notice when it is working, for obvious reasons lol.

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in reply to squirrel
Lemmy, reddit, and other forum type websites are primarily text based. Microblogging and social media are short form and have plenty of pictures and videos, which catches and retains the attention of users more. Their algorithms are also more intense and curated compared to say reddit’s front page which is more generalized to all its users. Forums mean you have to spend time reading and typing while you can doomscroll and press a reaction button on social media and microblogging.
in reply to HubertManne

Best question here. Also, if Lemmy had a ton of users would it really be the place we want to hang out? I personally felt Reddit got worse after it blew up and a lot of people joined.

I used to sit around and talk about silly things like Linux just fine then I noticed I started getting constantly brigaded by Winblows Fanbois. Reddit turned into a shit hole of sub-par generic groupthink and I would rather that did not happen on Lemmy.

in reply to MoogleMaestro
I just suggest that people join .world (unless I know the person I'm talking to will best fit a different instance) and not worry about it. Once they understand how it works, they can make an account on a different instance if they want. There's no need to overthink it.
in reply to squirrel
Where do all those meme posts about "Lemmy is bad name / bad branding" come from? I've seen it recurrently enough every time someone launches a FOSS thing that I would normally suspect it's part of a LLM farm or a scam attempt from some sort of naming / patents agency, but I've seen these reactions from long enough (2015-ish).
in reply to lambalicious

It's named after a famous musician that was active for like 30+ years. Half the results when you search "Lemmy" are him, not the platform. Oh, and he had an unfortunate collection of Nazi memorabilia - he claimed it wasn't because he liked the nazis just that he liked the look of their shit...

FOSS often ends up with bad names unfortunately. People never know what is going to become big when they start a project and they might get a giggle out of the name when it's a small project. By the time the project becomes big enough that the name might actually start being a problem, it is also known by that name and changing it could significantly impact how many people keep using it. Unfortunately, a name change is often a touchy subject for any project.