in reply to Sunshine
Esta entrada fue editada (martes, 8 de septiembre de 2026, 6:30)
in reply to Quibblekrust

F-Droid and Obtanium are going away for normal android users.

It is deliberately difficult, and this whole thing is absolutely about Google making more money by tightening control of the ecosystem, not about security.

A nice summary from keepandroidopen.org/

Nine steps, 24-hour wait, buried in Developer Options, delivered through a proprietary service that Google can revoke whenever they want. That's not sideloading. That's a deterrence mechanism built to ensure almost nobody completes it. And since it runs through Play Services rather than the OS, Google can tighten or kill it silently
in reply to EvenOdds
Esta entrada fue editada (martes, 8 de septiembre de 2026, 21:58)
in reply to Quibblekrust
It doesn't sound like that website's up to date.


That site is absolutely up to date.

Google absolutely aren't trying to make money from developer registrations, that's just removing administrative burden.

They're trying to make money from closing the platform. Google have been gradually working over the last few years to close Android, and this is just another step. It definitely won't be the last. They have made it much more difficult to get up to date source of AOSP security fixes. Commit history is squashed. Play Integrity API changes are a ruse to secure the platform, that just happens to lock apps out of GrapheneOS, the most secure Android variant.

Google realise that there is a real threat from an open Android platforms giving users a choice and that will eat their profit margins.

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in reply to EvenOdds

Sorry for my snark, if you saw it before I deleted it. I thought you had replied to a more recent comment from me where I included the instructions and the video link.

I understand you now, and no, I don't necessarily trust Google when they say side loading is never going to go away, but it's not going away right now.

And yet certain people on Lemmy are still saying it's going away very soon, and downvote me when I say it's not.

Esta entrada fue editada (jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2026, 21:22)
in reply to poVoq

Yeah, I'm also planning to switch to PostmarketOS. I was running Ubuntu Touch when my carrier changed things to where my phone didn't work as a phone without VoLTE. Ubuntu Touch doesn't support VoLTE on my Pixel 3a so I reluctantly switched to stock.

It wasn't until after I switched to stock firmware that I found out that PostmarketOS has experimental support for VoLTE on my device. I'm hoping "experimental" is good enough for my purposes, but we'll see when I get around to doing it.

Esta entrada fue editada (martes, 8 de septiembre de 2026, 0:58)
in reply to Sunshine

The only thing it might affect is my favorite f-droid music app. I'm leaning away from the Alphabet ecosystem for other uses though - Joplin instead of Keep for note-taking, Organic Maps instead of Gmaps for nav, local LibreOffice files instead of Workspace apps when online collab isn't critical.

Nobody has quite stepped up to compete with G Sheets. Even Excel online is a distant runner-up. Proton is working on challenging Alphabet's Drive/Docs/Sheets hegemony but right now it's painfully basic.

in reply to Obituarykidney

See: keepandroidopen.org/

TL;DR: it will get harder to distribute android apps to the majority of the users. You can still do whatever you want with your device, for now, if you go through all the new extra steps.

in reply to neo2478

I installed e/os/ on my Fairphone 6 and it is missing a lot of Android stuff that I use:

  • NFC payments
  • Android Auto integration
  • The IKEA home app won't run

Okay, it's not that much. 😄

Still, I don't feel like I can ditch my Android phone.

My current plan is to see how the Mecha Comet fares, and maybe use it for most things, but keep an Android phone for things that require submission to the Tech Gods of the West.

in reply to NotEasyBeingGreen
Android Auto integration


doc.e.foundation/os/how-to/android-auto/

But I hate how many notifications Android Auto creates and how many Google apps you have to install to get it to work. I have it set up under separate user on Graphene OS not to pollute my main profile.

in reply to NotEasyBeingGreen
in reply to NotEasyBeingGreen
Those still touch payment networks. Debit cards are basically cards from Payment networks that are partnered with Banks/Credit Unions. PSP/DC Payments is an example of a payment network, Everlink, Interac, Exchange, Cirrus, etc. Seeing as Carney/Canada are ok selling off those payment networks to US Private Equity, you're going to always be somewhat dependent at this point on US services. Like I'd bet you that most of Interac, even though it's "Canadian", is running in US Cloud platforms like Azure and AWS, meaning it's 'realistically' fair game for US AI harvesting etc. Canadian businesses that try to pretend they're 'good' on this front will almost always cite privacy legislation compliance, to things like "Data residency" -- pretending as though just because a copy of the data is stored in Canada, that it isn't exposed/leveraged/dependent on US/foreign services.
in reply to Sunshine
I think this will be the first and last time I got a flagship model. I'm going back to upper-middle range Samsungs, that still have the headphone jack. My 10+ years old ThinkPad is much better to use than my S23 Ultra, the only thing that is locked down is the WLAN card slot (really need to do that hack, I already bought the necessary tools for it).
in reply to chunes

I'm assuming, then, though, that you do have a computer, in order to receive emails and such. Too much in society is attached to having other stuff: mailing address, email, phone number, two factor authentication, running privacy violating software on Windows, etc...

If you've been doing it since the 80s, have there been eras that have really challenged your desire or whatever to not have a mobile phone?

Do you think life would be much easier if you did have a mobile phone?

Why do you not have a mobile phone?

Do you think other or younger people should follow your lead?

I'm so curious about your story. I've thought about it many times, and as much as I think the technology is super cool and amazing, I also really wish it wasn't all but legally required to participate in so many aspects of society. It makes me wonder where you're from and where you live and if you're American or not.

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in reply to chunes
Esta entrada fue editada (jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2026, 14:39)
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Hahaha there are a bunch of big colorful signs at the entrance, but yeah, you are correct, it is cancerous bullshit. That parking garage constantly has issues with lines of people getting stuck and having to wait.

It's also a new system, as of maybe 2023, which was bad enough, being automated and only accepting card, before.

Another bad detail to ruin your day is that it's at a hospital and is basically the only parking available.

in reply to BCsven
I really want to try GrapheneOS when I'm able to get a new phone to put it on. I was thinking I'd have to find alternatives to banking since apparently a lot of bank apps have issues with Graphene for some reason. But according to this site, my bank supports Graphene OS!
in reply to greedytacothief
I'm gonna split my phone from my smart device entirely. Buying a Maker 2 phone when it drops tomorrow. Maybe this won't work out as well as I'd hoped... but it will actually cost me about the same for 2 lines cuz I'm already overpaying on my regular plan.
Esta entrada fue editada (miércoles, 9 de septiembre de 2026, 23:24)
in reply to Sunshine
We already have the developer option to allow apps not verified by Google. You can do the 24hr wait now to preemptively enable unverified apps, and then nothing will change whenever they choose to actually start enforcing signatures. I've already done it and although a bit annoying it's far from enough a roadblock for me to get rid of my phone. We need better Linux phones, or banking apps that can actually work on graphene without the constant cat and mouse game of passing play integrity in the Google space. Even if we had a great Linux phone many mobile websites just try to redirect you to their app rather than build a real mobile website, so it would be tedious to use for many functions. Graphene is great, but the number of Android apps that refuse to run without play integrity passing is far too high for me to risk buying a compatible phone and going all in on it. Perhaps the new Motorola partnership will be able to help this in some way, but I won't believe it until I see it.
in reply to Sunshine
I am running LineageOS with MicroG for now but I still feel im not degoogled enough lol. Relying on that horrendous company in anyway (even if it is to maintain and contribute to the AOSP) still makes me feel a bit sick. So I have a second phone (FP6) Running pmos thanks to @TheMightyCat@ani.social which im waiting for it to become stable enough to daily drive and then ill be satisfied.

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