There's a concept called active ignorance where you choose to not accept or read evidence of a problematic person or community norm as you don't want to have to think about the harms and perhaps have to give it up.
It's why I'm irritated by the folks who are all no politics please, just the tech. Or that "Bob and Van" piece.
Who you accept in your community, who you choose to work with, especially if you excuse abusive behaviour damages a community more. We see you.
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Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK
in reply to Esther Payne • • •we had a lot of this on the rave scene - men who were misogynists and predators were tolerated and even got power because they were providing resources such as vehicles and sound equipment, and on a subculture that was mostly funded by laundered partydrugs dealing money with a libetarian centrist attitude no-one wants to deal with conventional authorities!
So it led to factions being formed, vigilanté actions and in some cases outright violence, which ofc gave the Police a good reason to get their teeth into clamping down on the whole scene (as understandably when blood gets spilled the "normie" authorities have to step in)
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Esther Payne
in reply to Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK • • •@vfrmedia So how many of those men are still around except they've moved on to blocking Dover?
I think it's a question that some of us in our communities need to ask ourselves. As usual it comes back to the old "but he does good work" or as you pointed out the equipment.
Predators know how to make themselves seem useful.
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK
in reply to Esther Payne • • •I've been mentioning precisely this in other toots recently - its exactly whats happened to a lot of the ex-ravers. The tactics are identical to how we used to put on warehouse parties and outdoor raves, except focused on early mornings rather than night time.
They are paradoxically also a consequence of governments having success in clamping down on middle class drug use - a lot of lads *have* got clean (especially to keep their driving licences due to stricter DUI checks since 2015), but they are angry about it (and also clampdowns on other things such as bad behaviour on roads) and are looking for a scapegoat.
I stopped my involvement with the rave scene in mid 2010s due to the amount of anti-immigration sentiment even amongst many partypeople, especially outside cities..
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Computer Chronicles Revisited
in reply to Esther Payne • • •David Gerard
in reply to Esther Payne • • •Esther Payne
in reply to David Gerard • • •@davidgerard
Scribd has a copy
scribd.com/document/983696109/Tanesini-Ignorance-Arrogance-And-Privilege-2021
Tanesini_Ignorance, Arrogance, And Privilege (2021)
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in reply to Esther Payne • • •cauZation
in reply to Esther Payne • • •More and more can't decipher the origins of politics, let alone geopolitics, and the level of ignorance - innocent or wanton - is multiplying in one of the worst stretches in human history, where more and more of our agency should be aimed at the #ClimateCRISIS.
Sad to say, that another mass extinction event, is well on its way.
Esther Payne
in reply to cauZation • • •@cauZation I think all we can do is try and find community where we can.
We find hope in one another and regardless try to build the communities we want to see. To try to heal each bit of our world we can.
cauZation
in reply to Esther Payne • • •luca
in reply to Esther Payne • • •I subscribe everything.
However, as the devil's advocate I've also to add one more thing.
I'm prone to elaborate and deep think, this means I easily go beyond what others say. Not necessarily for good or bad, but even thoughts may become too political, or too polarizing, for persons living "comfortably numb".
Then there's the fact I don't use my mother tongue, and this complicates everything.
There's a continuous escape from reality, where any disagreement is seen as shocking.
Esther Payne
in reply to luca • • •@luc0x61 I think I will get what you mean.
With my Father, Brother and myself discussing politics is our love language. Which is exhausting for our friends and bits of family sometimes.
I think I've been incredibly fortunate to have a family with that love language.
luca
in reply to Esther Payne • • •Johns
in reply to Esther Payne • • •Carlos Solís
in reply to Esther Payne • •Unfortunately, this means that collaboration will sooner or later become "stochastically immoral": the more people you interact with, the higher the chance that a person you collaborate with is problematic or immoral; the more members a group has, the more difficult it is to do a continuous background check on all of them; and the longer a collaboration goes on, the more probable that a collaborator you rely on becomes too vital to afford removing from the project without major damage to what's left of it.
...On the other hand, doing everything completely alone in order to avoid associating with problematic people makes efforts needlessly reduplicated, barely impactful, and lacking any widespread or long-term influence. A balance needs to be in order - small communities, where all vouch for each other, keep each other in check, reinforce each other's moral values and communal knowledge, and rebuild from scratch whenever somebody needs to be removed from the community.
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