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"While more of the #web is becoming accessible to people with low-end connections, more of the web is becoming inaccessible to people with low-end devices even if they have high-end connections."

@danluu on web bloat: danluu.com/slow-device/

mollywhite.net/micro/entry/202…

in reply to Molly White

in my case i tend to avoid the heavy website because "strangely" they also the one with most of "tracker / ads" that break them with adblock.

I don't mind to pay high quality website ... if their website are also high quality and not one more wordpress over-bloated with 3 hundreds module and an heavy theme with 30 animation on each clic.

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in reply to Molly White

Personal opinion: I think RAM usage and screen size are also critical metrics.

Outside of egregious cases (my nemesis YouTube chat, advanced web applications), you can wait for a page to load and get on with your life (or what time remains of it).

But if Firefox uses all your RAM rendering a downscaled 4000 px wide high definition logo and crashes, or if your screen is 75% header bars, 25% footer bars, and 0% real content, that's completely disruptive.

in reply to Molly White

not surprising considering all that is being used for the formatting of the sites.
in reply to Molly White

I feel this. I daily a Raspberry Pi, which looks like it has similar specifications to the Tecno Spark device discussed.

Anyway, let's cause even more e-waste by throwing away our Samsung phones and buying iPhones, to keep Jeff happy.

edit - spent decades administrating Invision Forum boards (not mentioned here, similar to vB), just loaded one - 2.6mb. Glad I didn't more strongly encourage a move to Discourse.

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in reply to Molly White

Anything Microsoft is now holding up my internet work. Outlook, .docx files, everything they want control over as it must cross my screen throws all interaction on hold until it fully bloats the experience for its own reward and to user derision.
in reply to Steve Thompson

@SteveThompson Oh, yeah. MS Office + OneDrive has a lazy-load problem these days, even with a 2-year-old laptop on a high-powered corporate intranet.
in reply to Molly White

finally someone calls out codinghorror on his qualcomm bullshit . Alas, this platform is much bigger :(
in reply to Molly White

the #Enshittification of the #Web is inherently bad and I think it's overdue we don't accept websites that don't work over #Iridium and #FrogFind...
in reply to Molly White

Sadly some sites feels heavier to navigate at than games!
That using old notebook metrics, which is my case, sadly.
in reply to Molly White

Another thing to look at is the Javascript bloat.

Not only does that waste more cpu, but it also wastes bandwidth, which becomes a tax on users that have to deal with data caps.

[This post created on a low ram slow device using recycled bits]

in reply to Molly White

in 1988 my old school's network shared storage had 20Mb of capacity
in reply to Molly White

This was where my rant came from; I don’t understand why even though computer technology has been improving massively over time, web browsing experience has been getting worse.

mastodon.social/@logickinlambd…

in reply to Molly White

I wonder if Decentraleyes / LocalCDN alleviates the bloat significantly
in reply to impossibleibex

@impossibleibex @Dan Luu @Molly White It reduces the downloads required, but the execution has the exact same overhead as before unless you block some scripts beforehand.
in reply to Molly White

Browsing most random sites on my iPhone browser turns it into a hand warmer in minutes and noticably reduces my battery.

Where’s the search engine that will prioritize performant search results over bloated ones? I’d even install a browser extension to help crowdsource such metrics.

in reply to Molly White

important info, but the article is incredibly difficult to read. A huge wall of type. Legibility is also an accessibility issue.
in reply to Molly White

Can I see your reddit and raise you a GitHub code review? github.com/microsoft/vcpkg/pul…
in reply to Molly White

as a professional web dev and maintainer of a niche video game wiki, I pride my site on being very lightweight, but after a brief loading test it turns out I have some work to do 😅 Gotta shout out lazy loading images, deferring scripts, and the details HTML element
in reply to Molly White

@Molly White @Dan Luu And that goes for the entire computing panorama. Most of the thousand-fold increase in computing power that we've had since the times of the Commodore 64 and the DOS computers has gone into developing bloat - either to make things marginally easier for developers at the expense of RAM and storage, or (more recently) to appease shareholders by adding new sources of revenue to any given app. About the only places where performance is considered relevant anymore are video game consoles and supercomputers - and even there I've seen bloat creeping in throughout the years! Not to be a boomer, but there's a reason why limitations breed creativity