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Carlos Solís

It's a shame that this is, by necessity and definition, a placeholder project - the only way to truly divest from DHH would be to not use his code at all, and that generally means rewriting everything away from Ruby. But, as you already said, that'd be a monumental undertaking with little to no substantial benefit other than the divestment itself.
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Martin Owens

@freya

You have to be a kinda pompous ass at the very least to have the ambition that your puke is better than anyone elses and push it as the defacto next big thing.

That they turn out to be meglomaniac complete and utter bastards is just a variation on a theme.

You're looking for a real rare diamond that's both ambitious enough to push hard, and humble enough to grow a fair community with positive politics.

@Ra (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩 (cringe EU-brained military girl)
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ImplicitDeny

nice energy to see ! I would be personnally completely useless as I don't know much about Ruby. I'm just a humble sysadmin who has to maintain Rails app up to date (apps that I like and that my company relies uppon) but I really despise having to endure this man being a part of all that.
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Bradley M. Kühn

If you are forking anyway, would you be open to hearing the case why a network service copyleft like AGPLv3 might be useful?

I'm not part of the Rails or Ruby community, so I don't want to intrude, but if there is an appropriate way to make the pitch, I'd like to.

Do you think the new community would be interested in it?

(Biggest reason, frankly: discourage dhh from just taking your work back to his "upstream").

Cc: @richardfontana

@Richard Fontana
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Bradley M. Kühn

Oh, thanks, I just asked again elsewhere in thread as I hadn't seen this reply yet. I'll put it as an urgent TODO for myself to join the governance channel.

Would it be helpful if a I wrote a blog post introducing the idea to share there first? I am just hesitant to jump into a community that I otherwise have no connection to and start making governance suggestions.

Cc: @richardfontana

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Bradley M. Kühn

@richardfontana
💯!
Before dhh distracted FOSS w/ toxic views wholly unrelated to software, I recall distinctly that dhh was on the same “GPL is about restrictions; #MIT is about freedom” train with people like #GitHub's founder Tom Preston-Warner. ICYMI:
youtube.com/watch?v=-bAAlPXB2-c

I won't link to dhh's site b/c dhh deserves no further linkage, but ∃ a recent essay from 2021-12-13 (≤ 5 yrs ago) arguing that.

Essay is unsurprisingly ad hominem as if #GPL == RMS & Gates == proprietary.

Cc: @Floppy

OSCON 2013: Tom Preston-Werner, "Keynote"

http://www.oscon.comTom Preston-Werner is a cofounder and chief executive officer of GitHub, a web site that makes it easy for users to collaborate on softwa...
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Bradley M. Kühn

I drag out…
youtube.com/watch?v=-bAAlPXB2-c
…whenever I read an argument claiming #MIT license (& #BSD-ish ones) are “more free”.
Fascinating to listen to ⬆ ≈every 3yrs. Makes me wonder WTF we #copyleft proponents did wrong in 2010s — as the opposition rhetoric claims to apply (a priori?) 1ˢᵗ principles but the 1ˢᵗ principle expressed is “Freedom is your right to work on what you want”.🙄 &,also,setting up a *TV show character* as the (near-literal) strawman?!?🤦
#Logic & #Epistemology FAIL!

#GPL #Github

OSCON 2013: Tom Preston-Werner, "Keynote"

http://www.oscon.comTom Preston-Werner is a cofounder and chief executive officer of GitHub, a web site that makes it easy for users to collaborate on softwa...
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#github #bsd #mit #copyleft #gpl #logic #epistemology
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Bradley M. Kühn

Re: freedom principles (although, admittedly, a posteriori ones), I've come to believe as I age in this collapsing empire, & I'm still only able to make a minuscule impact on helping hordes deeply in need & poverty, that the only 2 principles that matter are #FDR's 3–4 of the Four Freedoms:

Freedom from want & Freedom from fear.

Privilege & luck got me freedom from want ≈10 yrs ago, but fewer today have it then when I was born. & the whole world today has no freedom from fear.😢

#FourFreedoms

#fdr #fourfreedoms
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Chris Ellis

@bkuhn @cwebber @richardfontana

I don't speak in any capacity for the rails fork (but I do hope them success), nor do I have a project with a sufficient user base.

But I would love to see a LAGPL variant. I think that would be very useful in many situations. As a pragmatic argument against the 'open core' style licences.

As an outsider, a fork adopting the fully AGPL I think is likely to hamper that fork, rather than boost it.

@Richard Fontana @Christine Lemmer-Webber @Bradley M. Kühn