Right? When my extended family gets together there are like 40 of us. I might try to avoid the ones that are MAGA, or at least avoid talking politics with them, but I’m not gonna refuse to go to Christmas or Thanksgiving just because my chuddy uncle is going to be there. I’ll just take a walk with the other queer cousins and get a little toasted before dinner
Do you do the same thing with the ones that are child molesters? What you're describing is identical to why most child molesters are family members and the molestation is actually known about.
What you describe about making nice with them even though they are arguably awful people is absolutely no different. Fucking hold them accountable. Tell them get their racist fucking asses out of your home. Tell them to fuck off and die mad. Quit enabling them. Your "logic" is exactly why most child molesters are family members and family friends.
Look, I’m no fan of conservatives, but you have to recognize that someone molesting children is very very different from someone holding conservative politics.
Do you really expect me to go through life shouting at and refusing to speak with anyone with politics to the right of mine? Life is full of compromises and picking your battles. I would absolutely refuse to be in the same room with a pedophile relative, because that’s a big deal worth fighting over. My aunt who thinks ivermectin works? Not worth the trouble.
Most people, even repeat Trump voters, are pretty tuned out of politics. So I don’t feel like it’s my solemn duty to grill everyone over their voting patterns, assume their vote defines them as a person, and only associate with the purest of heart.
but you have to recognize that someone molesting children is very very different from someone holding conservative politics.
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about you needing to hold them accountable. In that, there is zero difference.
Do you really expect me to go through life shouting at and refusing to speak with anyone with politics to the right of mine?
I expect you to hold people accountable; especially family members. That actually starts with speaking with them and not avoiding the politics because that makes you both feel uncomfortable. However, when they decide that they are racist then, yeah, tell them to grow up or fuck off and die. Quit enabling them.
Most people, even repeat Trump voters, are pretty tuned out of politics.
Then tune them the fuck in. Quit letting the skate by playing nice with them at holiday dinners. Fuck holiday dinners; holding them accountable is far more important.
I admire your passion, but I disagree that it’s my responsibility to hold others accountable for their politics just because we’re related and going to the same dinner. I’m responsible for my own beliefs, and if I want to spend time trying to win people over to my side, that’s well and good. But there’s a time and a place for that, and I don’t think holiday meals are it. Purely from a strategic standpoint, I don’t think confronting someone over Thanksgiving dinner is going to win them, or anyone else in the room, to my side.
Our families invite process is fairly simple. If you can't last family time during holiday without talking politics, you aren't invited. I think that's a fairly healthy ask. I think only one person was excluded from family planning/gathering due to it, but thankfully the feeling was mutual because they couldn't isolate their political side from their actual personality.
Ah.. "don't ask; don't tell". Everything is fine even if Uncle Steve is diddling your daughter (or son) while everyone else is watching football after the family feast.
Different scenario so therefore different rules. It may surprise some people on Lemmy but, not everyone that is slightly right leaning is molesting children. Shocker I know.
There's a time and a place for politics both left and right leaning. Family time isn't one. We don't want to be associated with people who can't respect that. Regardless of orientation.
Did I say slightly right or are you moving the goal posts? Yeah, you're moving the goal posts. Be accountable. Hold others accountable - especially family.
you initiated the reply with a goalpost move what did you expect it to be ignored? Either way I think you are trolling me so I'm disengaging.
For context on their claim(which I had edited prior to their comment as it didn't really matter to the post): My orignal reply stated that just because someone is slightly right doesn't mean they molest kids. It had no place in the comment as it doesn't matter the reason: Politics have zero place at family time.
I did no such thing. I said hold your fucking family accountable. Not doing so just because it "ruins thanksgiving dinner" is a piss-poor excuse. It's this playing nice with family members that allows them to continue comfortably being racists and/or pedophiles. Quit enabling them.
Politics have zero place at family time.
This is the most important time. When the fuck else are you going to do it? Jesus fucking christ, hold your family accountable for not being awful people. If you fail to do that then you, too, are an awful person. Maybe you didn't know that before, but now you do and you have no further excuse.
After Election Day 2024 I completely cut my republican father out of my life. He never was maga, but he was celebrating trimp's win (ironically by listening to a Woodie Guthrie cd I got him). I did not speak to him for almost a year and a half, then in April I found out he was going to group therapy. I am unsure of the exact nature of the GT but one of his friend's that is in the GT said it is to redeem them.
We still do not have the close relationship that we used to have, and I doubt we ever will again.
The crazy thing is he used to be a long haired hippie fighting for freedoms and protecting the Vietnam war.
That's my experience. They just shut the fuck and don't want to talk about it when they lose, but when they were winning (just barely) it was all they could ever speak about.
Oh, also, if you want to really go hard with this, blue curacao, orange vodka (or rum, or liqueur), white creme de cacao, with heavy whipping cream.
Mix the blue curacao 2/3 to 1/3 with the orange liquor of your choice. Preferably shaken with ice. Fill a shot glass 2/3, or a tumbler 3/4. Now take the creme de cacao and mix it with the heavy cream separately. Then carefully pour that in the glass over the back of a spoon. It'll taste like a dreamsicle but look like cum in a glass of mouthwash.
That's a good start, but it would be even better to think of some 'woke' themed twist on it that makes it into a Blue Wave. I'm drawing a blank on what that twist would be, but I'm sure someone who's better at cocktails and/or wordplay than me could think of something really good. My first thought was replacing white rum with a diverse mix of rum tones, but that would kind mess up the blue colour.
One that sounds amazing to me is Electric Iced Tea. It's basically a long island, but replacing triple sec with the blue Curacao and cola with sprite or something.
I guess celebrating is just right but being annoying to people with different opinions like calling them nazi for every reason possible is what got trump voted in the first and definitely second place. Just fyi. Do what you want but you might be hurting your cause being a bitch about it.
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When they're all MAGA, though, sometimes it's best to just not go.
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in reply to echo • • • Public MessageLook, I’m no fan of conservatives, but you have to recognize that someone molesting children is very very different from someone holding conservative politics.
Do you really expect me to go through life shouting at and refusing to speak with anyone with politics to the right of mine? Life is full of compromises and picking your battles. I would absolutely refuse to be in the same room with a pedophile relative, because that’s a big deal worth fighting over. My aunt who thinks ivermectin works? Not worth the trouble.
Most people, even repeat Trump voters, are pretty tuned out of politics. So I don’t feel like it’s my solemn duty to grill everyone over their voting patterns, assume their vote defines them as a person, and only associate with the purest of heart.
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in reply to Zoe • • • Public MessageI'm not talking about them. I'm talking about you needing to hold them accountable. In that, there is zero difference.
I expect you to hold people accountable; especially family members. That actually starts with speaking with them and not avoiding the politics because that makes you both feel uncomfortable. However, when they decide that they are racist then, yeah, tell them to grow up or fuck off and die. Quit enabling them.
Then tune them the fuck in. Quit letting the skate by playing nice with them at holiday dinners. Fuck holiday dinners; holding them accountable is far more important.
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in reply to echo • • • Public MessageDifferent scenario so therefore different rules. It may surprise some people on Lemmy but, not everyone that is slightly right leaning is molesting children. Shocker I know.
There's a time and a place for politics both left and right leaning. Family time isn't one. We don't want to be associated with people who can't respect that. Regardless of orientation.
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in reply to echo • • • Public Messageyou initiated the reply with a goalpost move what did you expect it to be ignored? Either way I think you are trolling me so I'm disengaging.
For context on their claim(which I had edited prior to their comment as it didn't really matter to the post): My orignal reply stated that just because someone is slightly right doesn't mean they molest kids. It had no place in the comment as it doesn't matter the reason: Politics have zero place at family time.
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in reply to Pika • • • Public MessageI did no such thing. I said hold your fucking family accountable. Not doing so just because it "ruins thanksgiving dinner" is a piss-poor excuse. It's this playing nice with family members that allows them to continue comfortably being racists and/or pedophiles. Quit enabling them.
This is the most important time. When the fuck else are you going to do it? Jesus fucking christ, hold your family accountable for not being awful people. If you fail to do that then you, too, are an awful person. Maybe you didn't know that before, but now you do and you have no further excuse.
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in reply to echo • • • Public MessageAfter Election Day 2024 I completely cut my republican father out of my life. He never was maga, but he was celebrating trimp's win (ironically by listening to a Woodie Guthrie cd I got him). I did not speak to him for almost a year and a half, then in April I found out he was going to group therapy. I am unsure of the exact nature of the GT but one of his friend's that is in the GT said it is to redeem them.
We still do not have the close relationship that we used to have, and I doubt we ever will again.
The crazy thing is he used to be a long haired hippie fighting for freedoms and protecting the Vietnam war.
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*(I understand "Somalians" isn't a what they're called, but the racists in my family never bothered to learn that.)
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in reply to Zoe • • • Public MessageOh, also, if you want to really go hard with this, blue curacao, orange vodka (or rum, or liqueur), white creme de cacao, with heavy whipping cream.
Mix the blue curacao 2/3 to 1/3 with the orange liquor of your choice. Preferably shaken with ice. Fill a shot glass 2/3, or a tumbler 3/4. Now take the creme de cacao and mix it with the heavy cream separately. Then carefully pour that in the glass over the back of a spoon. It'll taste like a dreamsicle but look like cum in a glass of mouthwash.
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Thanks for the recipe!
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