live your life so you're not on this list
'weird little guys of FOSS'
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live your life so you're not on this list
'weird little guys of FOSS'
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L, Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈, Alpaca404, Schofie9x, The True Source of Value, Þommy, Carolyn, LupertEverett, an actual bus, Luna Dragofelis ΘΔ🏳️⚧️🐱, Wendy, Noah Bailey y Jo like this.
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barbra
in reply to Carlos Solís • • •@csolisr
A very punchable-adjacent gang for sure. Missing from RMS is that he defended Epstein.
firebreathingduck
in reply to Carlos Solís • • •@csolisr
Yeah. But even if every single accusation of sexual misconduct against Stallman is fake, his personal website *still* has defense of sex between adults and people aged 14. 🤮
stallman.org/archives/2017-jul-oct.html#21_October_2017_(Sex_offender's_list)
(among many other such statements)
The fact that he has so many defenders left is depressing.
2017: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman
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Cassandrich
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ARGVMI~1.PIF
in reply to firebreathingduck • • •@firebreathingduck
Apparently he has since drawn a line at 13. stallman-report.org/on-children/
That's…better than his previous position, I suppose, but he's still failing to acknowledge that some dude in his 50s getting horizontal with a 14-year-old is still gross.
Uh he's 100% right about SB976, though. If algorithms are manipulative then adults are vulnerable too. And that's kinda the trouble with Stallman: half the time he's totally gross, and the other half the time he's totally right.
@csolisr
Appendix: Stallman's idiolectical use of "child"
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muddle 🥣, Luna Dragofelis ΘΔ🏳️⚧️🐱 y DNA schedule like this.
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Carlos Solís
in reply to khm • •khm
in reply to Carlos Solís • • •that's not how morality works. bad people have also done things like grow crops and wear clothes.
come to think of it they're also not the people who invented it. they ran their mouths about it, got a lot of attention about it, but before apple v franklin software wasn't even protected by copyright
muddle 🥣
in reply to Carlos Solís • • •@csolisr "when people start talking about how great some preacher is, God gets lost in the shuffle."
I don't remember whose quotation it is but I came to it via a Buddhist meditation teacher.
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pedestrian cyclist
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Wow. What a bunch of weird little guys!
Not being on the list is the minimum. Ideally I'd hope to also not be in the same room as anyone on that list, or share an office, stage or journal publication with someone on that list.
grob (teeth era) 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Aisha the R211A
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •pedestrian cyclist
in reply to Aisha the R211A • • •Cassandrich
in reply to Aisha the R211A • • •Haelwenn /элвэн/
in reply to Cassandrich • • •Kepeken
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •"No. Who’s on the list or off the list will introduce weird social dynamics, and risks creating a kind of popularity contest. Also, if I published a list like that, it would paint a target on the backs of everyone on the list for harassment or worse."
this obviously also applies to the negative list
toolbear#🌶️
in reply to Kepeken • • •You get the difference between publishing a list of fascists and avoiding publishing a list of anti-fascists, thought, right?
@skinnylatte
Emory Dunn
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •spiegelmama
in reply to Emory Dunn • • •Chad McCullough
in reply to spiegelmama • • •@spiegelmama Yeah, same.
@emorydunn @skinnylatte
grechaw
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Kit Bashir
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Proto Himbo European
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Holy shit. When I hear about these people (well, about half of them; I'm not in the loops) one at a time I guess my brain doesn't compile the multiple incidents or the number of people.
This is a very useful list.
Proto Himbo European
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •This list brings back to my mind something I've wrestled with for a long time: Can I ethically use something built by a morally bad person? If the profits of the thing support the moral badness, that's a pretty easy question for me to answer (i.e., "No").
It also highlights something pretty damn critical: Being intelligent or technically skilled has basically no relationship whatsoever to moral goodness or understanding social or political issues, something most reasonable people seem to understand with wealth (i.e., billionaires are not better than regular folks).
Raphael Kabo
in reply to Proto Himbo European • • •Proto Himbo European
in reply to Raphael Kabo • • •@lown Yeah, I don't feel like I have a great, solid foundation for decisions I make about this. I still like American Beauty (movie) despite Kevin Spacey starring in it; maybe I should never watch it again. I refuse to read any J.K. Rowling, but the movies are on our DVD shelf. I think Neil Gaiman is a brilliant author but maybe he's also a rapist; I haven't read or watched any of his movies since the allegations were made, and I'm kind of in a holding pattern with him. Stallman makes lots of sense but he might also be rapey (which I didn't know about until this post; though I've seen people say there were good reasons not to follow his accounts). I'm never watching another movie made by Roman Polanski, ever. A few of the projects in this list are things I've used or use, and I need to decide if I will keep using them. Meg Ryan is (or was?) apparently very abusive to people who work for her, but I haven't stopped watching her movies. Lizzo allegedly did some disturbing sexually abusive things
... Mostrar más@lown Yeah, I don't feel like I have a great, solid foundation for decisions I make about this. I still like American Beauty (movie) despite Kevin Spacey starring in it; maybe I should never watch it again. I refuse to read any J.K. Rowling, but the movies are on our DVD shelf. I think Neil Gaiman is a brilliant author but maybe he's also a rapist; I haven't read or watched any of his movies since the allegations were made, and I'm kind of in a holding pattern with him. Stallman makes lots of sense but he might also be rapey (which I didn't know about until this post; though I've seen people say there were good reasons not to follow his accounts). I'm never watching another movie made by Roman Polanski, ever. A few of the projects in this list are things I've used or use, and I need to decide if I will keep using them. Meg Ryan is (or was?) apparently very abusive to people who work for her, but I haven't stopped watching her movies. Lizzo allegedly did some disturbing sexually abusive things to her staff, but sometimes I still dance when her songs come on. I haven't sought out any Louis C.K. material in a few years, but I still remember some of his humor because it was really good.
I don't have a clear or consistent set of rules for this, despite having at least a basic understanding of the issues involved, and a desire not to support bad people.
Bridge&Tunnel Jeff
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Knew about most of them but learned what I needed to know about two of those weird little guys.
Thank you for posting the link.
Jørn
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Glyph
in reply to Jørn • • •Glyph
in reply to Glyph • • •mancube
in reply to Glyph • • •@glyph
i can't remember exactly when it started but some time in the last decade i was watching one of his videos and just got hit with a feeling of "ugh, i'm gonna wake up one day and find out this guy is a fascist." every once in a while i'd check in to see if we were there yet. guess we have been for a while?
@jornane @skinnylatte
Cassandrich
in reply to mancube • • •ꍌꋪꏂꌦ꒒ꄲꋪ꒯
in reply to Cassandrich • • •If they have enough money to say no and they are saying yes then they are a fascist, It’s that simple
mancube
in reply to Cassandrich • • •@dalias
yeeesh
@glyph @jornane @skinnylatte
mancube
in reply to Cassandrich • • •the internet seems to say that's an alias for curtis yarvin. is there more than one?
@glyph @jornane @skinnylatte
Cassandrich
in reply to mancube • • •Cassandrich
in reply to Glyph • • •Flit 🦊 🔥
in reply to Glyph • • •@glyph after looking up to louis and his work for so long and only just now learning about this, i feel emotionally crushed. what a shame.
@jornane @skinnylatte
Tim McCormack
in reply to Glyph • • •the tower fairy
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Sensitive content
Taffer 🇨🇦
in reply to the tower fairy • • •Taffer 🇨🇦
in reply to Taffer 🇨🇦 • • •ARGVMI~1.PIF
in reply to the tower fairy • • •@crystalmoon
Which I'm sure has other weird little guys involved in its development.
I have to wonder if the very nature of cryptography requires a weird mind. It is a very weird subject. It's basically paranoid math.
@skinnylatte
James Holden
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •ARGVMI~1.PIF
in reply to James Holden • • •@jamesholden
The hell of it is he's one of the few who considers computing freedom genuinely important and has been completely consistent about it.
We kinda need him. Or at least someone like him. And damn near everyone else these days is tripping over themselves to sacrifice such principles on the altars of AI and online age checks (i.e. in-home video surveillance) and so forth. We need people with principles, badly.
If only we had people with both principles and sanity…
@skinnylatte
ARGVMI~1.PIF
in reply to ARGVMI~1.PIF • • •@jamesholden
Although I have to wonder if principles and sanity are mutually exclusive. Most “sane” people don't seem to have principles at all, and just follow the path of least resistance toward solving their short-term problems, with little if any regard for consequences suffered later or by others.
People who actually give a damn about anything beyond that are extreme psychological outliers…and now the world is collapsing as a result of this widespread shortsightedness.
@skinnylatte
Csepp 🌢
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •fabiosantoscode
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Þommy
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Joanie Foster 😷
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •*Sincere* thanks to you for sharing this, and to Drew DeVault for putting it together!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to delete SimpleX (jfc)
Ryan Owens
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •bit
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Bookmarked!
And holy shit! I recognize just about everyone on that list, and only knew about maybe 1/4th being weirdos.
Louis Rossmann and Michael B. Paulson (ThePrimeagen) are particularly big let downs.
an actual bus
in reply to bit • • •C64Whiz
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Sensitive content
Andrew
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •muddle 🥣
in reply to Andrew • • •@piepants You mean @geerlingguy ?
Glad I never followed him.
ZenHeathen 🇨🇦
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •GnP
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •love that dhh's photo is basically this:
Howl The Wizard
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Len
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •I mean, the stuff about the Proton guy is mostly just repeating some stuff that was taken out of context, so the veracity of this whole thing is questionable
medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-ae…
mancube
in reply to Len • • •incorrect
@skinnylatte
Come On Giant Asteroid!
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Neil E. Hodges
in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •Dr Zoyander Street
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