Almost like its an impossible to achieve strictly idealistic and illogical pursuit. Interesting how thousands of individual communes are able to exist and thrive within capitalist states though.
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Which is it? There can't be a "classic line" for historically implemented large scale communism if large scale communism is impossible to implement. You're contradicting yourself.
Every time something is labeled communism it's communism until atrocities happen. Then it wasn't really implemented. Both of my statements are true. Pigs can fly if you throw them off a cliff. But pigs never had wings so they could never really fly. That's because the initial statement is based on an impossibility centered around arbitrary vocabulary. Both statements are true.
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Nah, that's nonsense word salad. Either large scale communism is impossible and thus has never been implemented, in which case the "classic line" is 100% true, or it is possible in which case your claim that it's impossible is wrong.
Either way you seem to have a pretty weak grasp of history and logic, so good luck out there 👍
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The problem is that proper communism is functionally impossible, and every crackpot despot in the last hundred years has wanted to get a little street credit with the working class by slapping socialism or communism on their brand.
Proper communism has been done at a small scale many times, e.g. in Catalonia during the Spanish civil war. Its main point of failure has been insufficient ability to defeat violence from without.
Proper communism is functionally impossible at the present day. It is possible that after generations of widespread automation and gradual socialism, people on average may come to be able to exist communistically.
You are correct though that historical examples have typically just been slapping an ideological label on a system that was neither socialist nor communist in practice. I mean, communism doesn't even make semantic sense below the global level.
Indeed. The "vanguard state" is a failed experiment. It inevitably gets into the control of corrupt officials who twist it to their own ends to magnify their own power (thus forming a new upper class of party officials who oppress the working class), and then it becomes self-perpetuating, unwilling to ever give up power and dissolve itself.
Future revolutions should take note and transition directly into a stateless, classless society.
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The people of the GDR were caged in and cut off of their folk in the very city that just happens to be in west-berlin, so of course people were happy for the iron curtain to fall.
What happened financially, economically and technological with east-germany was a crime ("Treuhand Skandal") and was the harbinger of the ugly head that is capitalism.
People literally just assume that to feel better, and quality of life is relative. There were probably some very happy times in the past where people enjoyed a lot more freedom and a lot more stars in the night sky.
One could argue that capitalism only did that because it needed to compete with communism, and that the more that capitalism eliminates its communist competition, the less it seems inclined to care about the working class.
This happens to every world reserve currency because the population constantly vote for more debt. It's happened to every single one, and you see see it happening today. Everyone keeps voting for more debt and screaming she more access to debt.
They did, only it was a little later. By then it had emptied out and you could squat, set up a studio, throw raves and such in prime central locations for free.
I waited two weeks this time to post ragebait (been terribly busy with the farm,work and palworld 1.0). Still my favorite thing that people take a troll post in the shitpost community as a legitimate post and are willing to argue with me.
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Solid. I’ve been playing the shit out of it. They added a ton of new ~~Pokémon~~ Pals, including ~~Alolan~~ regional variants. Lots of quality of life changes, a story line, dungeon improvements, etc.
FANTASTIC. They've made some absolutely massive improvements and it really feels like a fully fleshed out game now. I've had three runs in its life cycle so far. The first was right around launch, second was about 6 months ago and now I'm on a fresh save. That said, the addition of the fine tuned settings is major. The consistant new content is really strong as well. I'm hoping they keep making new additions. I can completely see it being a huge franchise. My current level is 58 so I can't speak to a big chunk of the new content but I'm getting there.
Communism is a stateless, classless society. By definition, this means that there cannot be a "communist country", or a "communist state".
Oh wow, not the first time I've heard this! Such a blatant example of the no true Scotsman fallacy!
It actually isn't though. No true Scotsman is about pointing differences in UNRELATED characteristics to falsely reject provided examples. But "communist countries" are a violation of the clearly stated definition itself. Rejecting these examples is not fallacious.
Yes, countries in the eastern block can most definitely be classified as "socialist". Socialist policies generally center around "workers owning means of production". Meaning, most capital is owned by the working class.
NOW. What does one even mean by "owned by the working class"? Worker coops? Consumer coops? A singular state, owning capital? Different leftists have different positions on this.
But none of this really has much dirt on the idea of communism. Did the first French Republic after the revolution somehow show that repu
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Communism is a stateless, classless society. By definition, this means that there cannot be a "communist country", or a "communist state".
Oh wow, not the first time I've heard this! Such a blatant example of the no true Scotsman fallacy!
It actually isn't though. No true Scotsman is about pointing differences in UNRELATED characteristics to falsely reject provided examples. But "communist countries" are a violation of the clearly stated definition itself. Rejecting these examples is not fallacious.
Yes, countries in the eastern block can most definitely be classified as "socialist". Socialist policies generally center around "workers owning means of production". Meaning, most capital is owned by the working class.
NOW. What does one even mean by "owned by the working class"? Worker coops? Consumer coops? A singular state, owning capital? Different leftists have different positions on this.
But none of this really has much dirt on the idea of communism. Did the first French Republic after the revolution somehow show that republicanism, or democratic ideals were bad and that we should return to a monarchy? Not really. It was a revolution gone wrong.
Sorry, it was more of a reply to the discussion going on in the comments rather than your post specifically.
But in short, demonstrating the failure of "communism" by giving examples of objectively NON communist places isn't logical if we're having a good faith conversation. Yes, certain socialist economic, political and social policies MUST be criticised straight into the ground.
HOWEVER, criticizing "communism" while pointing at North Korea, China, the USSR and so on is like criticizing democracy and republicanism by pointing at Athenian slaves and the totalitarianism of the first French Republic.
east of an arbitrary point on an approximately spherical object, where north and south are determined by a magnetic field that shifts over time, obviously...
It is important to note that they were going to a very strong welfare state, not so different than the most developed welfare states in Europe today.
So when I hear Americans saying this, I feel that it is important to note that they were not escaping to a American-like society/state, but a well developed liberal social democracy. Universal healthcare being one of many welfare services Americans do not have.
I would probably have done the same thing.
Btw: Not claiming you are American, this is just a pet peeve of mine
Even a conservative thinker argued before that people don't just go to where there are "free stuff", most people still value rule of law and freedom. Only few, if ever, risked their lives crossing the Caribbean to go to America not to Cuba, the latter which has free healthcare. Now that I think about it, African refugees fleeing post-colonial strife did not go to either Eastern Europe or USSR during the Cold war, they went to Europe and North America instead.
You mean the community based around low effort photos, ragebait, inflammatory and trolling posts is an inappropriate place to post low effort inflammatory ragebait?
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I read 'Stasi State or Socialist Paradise?: The German Democratic Republic and What Became of It' by Bruni de la Motte, John Green, and Seumas Milne. This book really challenged my western perspective on East Germany and highlighted the complex collapse that occurred. Something that isn't talked about is how many social and workers rights were taken away or reduced when the wall fell. Feminism in particular backslid tremendously as state support for female employment was removed and women as a result faced widespread unemployment.
I guess I just want to point out it wasn't a perfect black and white victory for the west, it was also a calamity that caused depression era style suffering for the people living there. I strongly recommend the book for anyone that enjoys circle jerking the fall of the Wall.
Well we're all finding out how well capitalism works I'd say. Dudes have more money than God and are buying up entire western countries and their politicians.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •Nah, that's nonsense word salad. Either large scale communism is impossible and thus has never been implemented, in which case the "classic line" is 100% true, or it is possible in which case your claim that it's impossible is wrong.
Either way you seem to have a pretty weak grasp of history and logic, so good luck out there 👍
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in reply to DoubleDongle • • •Proper communism is functionally impossible at the present day. It is possible that after generations of widespread automation and gradual socialism, people on average may come to be able to exist communistically.
You are correct though that historical examples have typically just been slapping an ideological label on a system that was neither socialist nor communist in practice. I mean, communism doesn't even make semantic sense below the global level.
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in reply to TheDemonBuer • • •Indeed. The "vanguard state" is a failed experiment. It inevitably gets into the control of corrupt officials who twist it to their own ends to magnify their own power (thus forming a new upper class of party officials who oppress the working class), and then it becomes self-perpetuating, unwilling to ever give up power and dissolve itself.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •The people of the GDR were caged in and cut off of their folk in the very city that just happens to be in west-berlin, so of course people were happy for the iron curtain to fall.
What happened financially, economically and technological with east-germany was a crime ("Treuhand Skandal") and was the harbinger of the ugly head that is capitalism.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •Communism as practiced so far sucks, and maybe it can't be done.
Capitalism practiced perfectly sucks for everyone but the filthy rich, eventually. That eventuality happens to be upon us now.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •Remind me which major country was the least affected by the Great Depression. ☭
Might be interesting to know, considering the direction the capitalist economy is taking now.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •Communism is a stateless, classless society. By definition, this means that there cannot be a "communist country", or a "communist state".
It actually isn't though. No true Scotsman is about pointing differences in UNRELATED characteristics to falsely reject provided examples. But "communist countries" are a violation of the clearly stated definition itself. Rejecting these examples is not fallacious.
Yes, countries in the eastern block can most definitely be classified as "socialist". Socialist policies generally center around "workers owning means of production". Meaning, most capital is owned by the working class.
NOW. What does one even mean by "owned by the working class"? Worker coops? Consumer coops? A singular state, owning capital? Different leftists have different positions on this.
But none of this really has much dirt on the idea of communism. Did the first French Republic after the revolution somehow show that repu
... Mostrar másCommunism is a stateless, classless society. By definition, this means that there cannot be a "communist country", or a "communist state".
It actually isn't though. No true Scotsman is about pointing differences in UNRELATED characteristics to falsely reject provided examples. But "communist countries" are a violation of the clearly stated definition itself. Rejecting these examples is not fallacious.
Yes, countries in the eastern block can most definitely be classified as "socialist". Socialist policies generally center around "workers owning means of production". Meaning, most capital is owned by the working class.
NOW. What does one even mean by "owned by the working class"? Worker coops? Consumer coops? A singular state, owning capital? Different leftists have different positions on this.
But none of this really has much dirt on the idea of communism. Did the first French Republic after the revolution somehow show that republicanism, or democratic ideals were bad and that we should return to a monarchy? Not really. It was a revolution gone wrong.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •Sorry, it was more of a reply to the discussion going on in the comments rather than your post specifically.
But in short, demonstrating the failure of "communism" by giving examples of objectively NON communist places isn't logical if we're having a good faith conversation. Yes, certain socialist economic, political and social policies MUST be criticised straight into the ground.
HOWEVER, criticizing "communism" while pointing at North Korea, China, the USSR and so on is like criticizing democracy and republicanism by pointing at Athenian slaves and the totalitarianism of the first French Republic.
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •It is important to note that they were going to a very strong welfare state, not so different than the most developed welfare states in Europe today.
So when I hear Americans saying this, I feel that it is important to note that they were not escaping to a American-like society/state, but a well developed liberal social democracy. Universal healthcare being one of many welfare services Americans do not have.
I would probably have done the same thing.
Btw: Not claiming you are American, this is just a pet peeve of mine
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in reply to Return_of_Chippy • • •I read 'Stasi State or Socialist Paradise?: The German Democratic Republic and What Became of It' by Bruni de la Motte, John Green, and Seumas Milne. This book really challenged my western perspective on East Germany and highlighted the complex collapse that occurred. Something that isn't talked about is how many social and workers rights were taken away or reduced when the wall fell. Feminism in particular backslid tremendously as state support for female employment was removed and women as a result faced widespread unemployment.
I guess I just want to point out it wasn't a perfect black and white victory for the west, it was also a calamity that caused depression era style suffering for the people living there. I strongly recommend the book for anyone that enjoys circle jerking the fall of the Wall.
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