OpenAI says China ran a covert campaign to turn Americans against data centers, but used facts that happen to be true


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in reply to CapuccinoCoretto
The best propaganda is always the truth.


When they shut down the RT America studio under the foreign agents law and direct TV intervention, they did interviews with the ex-RT dissident-esq reporters who were working there. I don't remember who, and who was interviewing, so take this with a grain of salt. When they were asked on the lines of how they felt working for Russian propaganda and information campaign. They said along the lines of that of all the networks they had worked on, they were never felt as free as when they worked on RT, and they were quite open that it was all part of bringing up narratives that would disrupt the American mainstream ones and create political disruption and doubt. Their handlers in Moscow knew that the best way to achieve this was just to give them reach and mostly uncensored platform and let them do mostly whatever they want, because they knew that just bringing out the truth was the most damaging thing to American establishment.

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in reply to CapuccinoCoretto
Genuinely why I hate anti-america/anti-capitalism propaganda based off lies. You don't need to lie when just telling the truth is damning. The lies just undermine everything when they're exposed, makes people question even the facts.
in reply to Ricky Rigatoni

I've said this to people so many times, and they get all up in arms making strawman arguments about how I'm supposedly in favor of the thing they're against.

Like, no, if I thought you were flat out wrong and I had a differing opinion then I would tell you that. If I critique your argument on the grounds that it weakens itself by relying on misinformation, then chances are I probably agree on the bigger picture.

Some people, man...

in reply to wonderingwanderer
Don't feed the trolls... or the psyops either I guess. I don't care which category of people who abuse logical fallacies are, I just know that some people go out of their way to not fall into those traps and their statements are much more worth my time engaging with.
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in reply to Tolookah

Typically? Maybe in some arid climates without humidity but try using evaporative cooling during a thunderstorm and you'll find your data center shutting down from overheating.

~~70%~~ A large part of water usage in industrial nations comes from electricity generation. That's where data centers consume most of their water.

Edit: 70% is only true for Canada, globally agriculture consumes more. The US for example has ~40% each for agriculture and power generation.

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in reply to kkj

I agree about golf courses being a bad metaphor but only because they feed into the same issue. They're something people see and comprehend but which completely fails to capture the scope. It only seems like a bad metaphor if you don't have any context and most people don't.

I'm not doing it to be convincing, but your reaction feeds into my point. It's back to the Hank Green point. To the ley audience it seems like a lot because "number big", but it's utterly meaningless amount, if you have just look at like "one small suburbs worth of front yard".

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in reply to TropicalDingdong

Ever heard the idiom: "The straw that broke the camel's back"

Water is not the only issue but to ignore it or minimise it in isolation does nothing but weaken the overall argument which is completely sound. I will aree that it shouldnt be the sole basis for argument.

Datacenters consume absurd amounts of finite resources for no definable return, but at substantial definable environmental, economic, and social costs.

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in reply to GMac

Ahh yes. Let me just use idioms to explain to a state government how much water is being used in a given sector. SURELY they'll appreciate that I focus my analysis on whatever clearly uninformed talking point has bubbled up through social media.

My point is that a lay understanding won't get you there.

in reply to Ilovethebomb
Imagine how fucking dumb our world has gotten that the discussion is, "china used our specific software to plot the destruction of our specific software using propaganda that accidentally turned out to be true" and not, "company uses VPN to blame China for their shitty practices."

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

Their proof is a couple accounts in China asked the chatbot how to convince Americans to not want datacenters in their backyard...

If I asked a chatbot how to convince someone to not like getting punched in the dick, them not wanting to get punched in the dick doesn't mean there's a grand conspiracy and that's why Bob got mad after being punched in the dick.

Bob didn't need anyone to tell him not to like getting punched in the dick to have that response.

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in reply to givesomefucks
If you think Bob is a person with his own opinions and autonomy, yes. If you think Bob is just a nameless cow in the herd with no capability of autonomy and actualization, Bob's dislike of being punched in the dick couldn't possibly be anything except the neighbor farmer trying to fuck with your profits.
in reply to Alpha71
So they're not giving but selling.
They were specifically designed and produced for China.
Nothing special or some state secrets as your comment implies.
And the Chinese said no because of spying concerns. LOL
They use Huawei that is triple the speed of that H20 of the inferior USSA regime.
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in reply to Jankatarch

I mean, in the context of AI development itself, there's the possible angle that China/Chinese AI companies would do this to attempt to slow down American based AI development in an effort to surpass them, but...yeah seems pretty goofy tbh.

They're clearly trying to claw at anything to redirect attention from data centers fucking everyone over.

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in reply to NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
China said they didn't want those chips the article is talking about used by their companies out of fear of espionage and Huawei made ones 3x faster.
There's no way the US could catch up with them, they have nothing to fear.
This article is propaganda in itself.
in reply to Jankatarch

Honestly I wouldn't doubt that they do, supposedly leaders both ours and theirs see us as being in a sort of cold war space race style AI race, and I guess that effectively means we are.

But I for one didn't need their campaign to hate what I can see for myself is an issue, murderbots, surveillance, and dumbing down people further have always been things that I think are "bad."

in reply to VetOfTheSeas

The real story is not about Chines influence on data center opinion.

Its openai reading conversations of their customers.

I mean we all already assumed they do before but this is so blatend, it smells like manufactured consent. You need to go from “suspect it happens” to “its normal to be like this”

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

Image generation tech in the open source world has skyrocketed in the last few years, and yet OpenAI still has some of the worst image generation models out there. It continues to produce the most generic infographic bullshit that takes any human with half a brain 0.25 seconds to recognize as AI generated. The bias is so heavily-skewed towards this "obviously AI generated" style that I don't think their engineers even give a shit about improving their image model.

If you aren't even going to take the time to actually produce something that looks halfway decent, and you know, doesn't fucking look like AI, why the fuck should I bother taking this "report" seriously?

in reply to VetOfTheSeas
pbs.org/video/we-saw-what-ai-data-centers-dont-want-you-to-see-n1ewcf/ This type of journalism is telling the truth & proving it; so now we know that "Data centers must bring their own power source" is not a good thing either, nor is taxing the grid. Sneaky power applications that claim less power & then expand; fossil fuels the BIGGEST energy source and demand for more materials to build this way - this story is revealing, and there wasn't any Chinese budget involved.