New York Post has always been garbage.


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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

It's up there with the Washington Times, which is owned by a korean anti-communist cult (the moonies) that's full of sex crimes.

... that's the Washington Times, not to be confused with the Washington Post (a far more legitimate news outlet).

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

The thing is more New Yorkers who have some sway on any side of this issue read the NY Post more than they do Lemmy. They read it more than any other thing other than maybe The Facepals or Instaslap or whatever the kids are into these days.

So - Yes, total garbage, ridiculously apparent propaganda, and also more effective and real-world than what we have. (not as effective as actually being the Mayor though, so good on him)

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas
There's far more than enough money to go around, it is that most spending is inefficient. Lunches should be free and healthy, books should be free unless it's intentionally damaged, teachers should be paid well (60k minimum) and management should take a pay cut.

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in reply to Zephyr
NYC teachers max out at about $124,000 after 15+ years and if they have a master's. That's not some huge amount in NYC. At least they get a pension so they can move to Costa Rica after they retire and live somewhat comfortably.

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in reply to ChickenLadyLovesLife
That's livable in that area for the most part. I imagine engineers range 80k to 180k in the same area unless they work their way into management or are in a particular in demand field.
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in reply to ChickenLadyLovesLife
As a Costarican, I can tell you that inflation will bite them hard when they arrive. Anything below $25K USD a year will have them scrounging, and that's not even counting the apartment rates or a cleaner service.

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in reply to Zephyr

Arguably, more rural schools or those in lower income areas should be paying proportionally better for teachers, to attract talent that would otherwise have no interest in being in that area. Those schools tend to be where students and their families have little or no say about what districts they are in, as they use regional magnet schools that cater to multiple small towns. They’d have to completely upend everything and move a substantial distance to have options urban folks take largely for granted.

Currently the rural districts pay nearly nothing and its lower than other places which also pay nearly nothing, so they get the worst of the worst educators who can’t find better and it keeps everyone’s wages depressed generationally.

But social mobility is a dream of that past that’s long since dead and buried anyway.

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in reply to Apathy Tree
It depends on circumstances, you're assuming a scenario vs the scenario of a local who went to a good university and wants to stay in their small town. Ideally things are left up to the decision of each community and school board. Like if they want to commit a particular percentage of the funds to teachers pay to attract a greater talent then that's a decision they can make. My argument is mostly that at minimum teachers should make a decent living wage in respect to the local market. 60k in a rural town in Mississippi, Montana, or West Virginia isn't the same as 60k in NYC, SF, LA, DC and so on as the default minimum.
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in reply to Zephyr
it's just down the road from me. it's a convergence point between a bunch of mining towns so it's a bit of a significant labor organization point in central Appalachia. it's also where Mother Jones founded the UMWA. also prior to European colonization it access between the Allegheny highlands and the great valley made it an ideal trading hub thanks to the New River, so it holds significance to indigenous rights organizers in Appalachia as well. the fact that the median income is $19k/yr is very much a policy choice of enforcing poverty
in reply to Zephyr

There are some issues around corruption and school management. Schools near me requested substantial funding to replace aging AC units. The very next year after they got it, a number of the AC units failed, and they couldn't replace them. An audit showed that the entire funding for the AC replacement was divided among the top administrators and paid as a bonus.

That said, the way to stop that from happening isn't to defund public schools and just repeat the same problem with private schools.
You put in some oversight. You make them provide reports for the funding, spot-check, and trust with verification.

Pushing kids into private schools by defunding will make education (and safety) impossible to monitor.

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in reply to rumba
My local school district (that I actually work for as a bus driver) brought in a new superintendent for $600,000 a year. Did fuck all except for bringing in a bunch of his cronies to work meaningless jobs for over $200,000 a year and pissing off the teachers with more meaningless busywork. Three years into his six-year contract the school board had to run him out, by basically offering him his remaining $1.8 million to leave peacefully.

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in reply to Kairos

I wouldn't say everything Mamdani does is bad. I would support his opposition to Israel, & I would be happy if he could somehow arrest Netanyahu.

That said, I think his rent freeze policy is a bad idea. A rent freeze is just the government forcing landlords not to be able to raise rents when a tenant leaves, even if the cost of providing the good has gone up.

I don't think the government should make it harder for private businesses to provide goods & services. Rent freezes hurt smaller landlords, leaving only the biggest companies able to afford staying in the market. They also lead to rundown buildings, which the government could then use as an excuse to step in and take over those properties. That is probably Mamdani's intent & goal, since undermining the effectiveness of capitalism could popularize socialism.

Price Controls | Joe Salerno

in reply to Kairos
If Trump goes to war with Iran, the price of oil goes up. Since you're restricting supply, things like airfare also go up because they rely on jet fuel to provide their service. It's the same with housing. It's all supply & demand.

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in reply to MorPolitics
Yes and a price limit could be applied to oil there just isn't. This technically causes a "shortage" (which means something specific not just whatever you think) but housing and oil are complex markets and there's a lot of nuance. Also housing doesn't get consumed or ever move. It's not like the landlord can ship a building somewhere that rents are higher.

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in reply to MorPolitics
good thing "providing" housing costs nothing. it only makes money. you get the equity of owning the building and the rent. the cost of upkeep is always FAR behind rent. the idea that providing housing costs a huge amount of money is absurd. It's parasitic. If the people paying the rent, which is the upkeep and additional profit, owned the equity, they would also eventually break even and make money. Talking to people like they aren't smart enough to understand how badly they are getting robbed, it's an argument. it's assholery.
in reply to Snowclone
Honestly, I'm under the impression that building a building requires scarce resources and labor, which have opportunity costs reflected in market prices, and maintaining a building likewise requires ongoing expenditures. I would agree that, when someone becomes a landlord, the goal is generally to earn a return on the capital they risk, while facing uncertainties such as tenants not paying rent, changes in government policy, and other market risks. Whether any particular landlord is a good or bad person is something I can't really speak to.

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in reply to MorPolitics
a building is an asset, not a liability, it always increases in value, and even if it is burned to the ground on a higher than average rate, the land it's on remains incredibly valuable and an asset. the people living there are losing money. the people who own it are gaining money WITHOUT TENANTS. the equity goes up. period. that's why people go into debt to own the land. because it's an asset.

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

Historical note-

Up until December 1976, the Post was a center Left newspaper. It was quieter than the Daily News and less pretentious than the Times. Oscar Madison was a sports writer for The Post.

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

I do think that relying on government programs instead of voluntary associations will increase poverty over time. Going further into debt, or needing to borrow from the state budget just to stay afloat a little longer, is like taking out one credit card to pay off another. I think that's a bad idea.

So, to me, choosing not to step up and help solve a problem yourself (for example, through voluntary associations), while instead asking the government to use force to solve it on your behalf (by voting for government programs funded through taxation), is both a bad idea and immoral.

P.S. I know this is not a very Lemmy-friendly opinion, I know you guys tend to love democratic socialism. I think you're well-intentioned people, but you would cause poverty and stagnation if you got your way, though. Ideally, you wouldn't rage at me for thinking differently from you. (Take note that I hold no political power & admit I very well could be wrong, or propagandized, or whatever.)

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in reply to MorPolitics
I appreciate your point of view and, sure, in a different system relying on "voluntary work" would be the best option, self reliant, not dependant on market demand and government issues. Sadly we do not live in a system that allows for any real amount of free time, people that have extra work energy are few and far between, not because they are a bunch of money hogging ghouls but because the average person struggles to pay for his housing, his food, his clothing etc.

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in reply to MorPolitics
If I’m wrong about that, then I’m probably wrong about much of my other ideological beliefs


Ideology is bad in general, but especially when it's based on the imagination.

Holla when you come back to reality.

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in reply to NotEasyBeingGreen
What's top of mind is Alexis de Tocqueville's comparisons between the USA and France mentioned in Democracy in America. So I suppose a decent example, with caveats I'd probably have to mention if you were in a super debate-ty mood, would be an older version of the USA, prior to the Federal Reserve. The book is in the public domain btw - librivox.org/democracy-in-america-vol-i-by-alexis-de-tocqueville/
in reply to MorPolitics

So slavery? Or just Jim Crowe? That's the ideal?

The book is talking about the 1830s so it seems like slavery.

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in reply to technocrit

Arguing against a specific idea, such as favoring voluntary associations, by bringing up slavery, which occurred during the same period when those associations were more prominent, is a goofy way to make a point. It would be analogous to arguing that the birth of the internet on January 1, 1983, was a bad thing because gay marriage was not legal at the time or because of some other unrelated thing during that time period.

You appear to be arguing against the time period as a whole rather than addressing the specific policy I support. In other words, you have constructed a straw man argument.

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in reply to MorPolitics

Maybe you should stop crying about schools being underfunded by "violence" and start crying about the MIC/imperialism being massively overfunded for committing genocidal violence around the planet.

Because this bullshit is just a worthless, word salad distraction from the actual underlying problems.

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in reply to technocrit
I would agree with you in opposing the wars & Israel’s actions. I also think that is the main concern. Social democratic policies, especially those backed by the world's reserve currency (2030s social security is projected to have issues), would likely take a while to cause damage similar to what a war or the risk of nuclear proliferation could. (Social democratic policies mostly cause a removal of future growth, i.e., a higher future poverty rate.) I think Israel's genocidal actions are horrible, & America's evident limitations are exposed when it engages in wars with huge geographical disadvantages & not enough technological advantages. If America had to declare war on someone (to prop up its wartime economy), it should be Israel. Fighting giant empires like Iran, China, & Russia is strategically stupid; at the very least, pit them against each other rather than trying to fight them all at once. However, obviously I oppose warmongering, but it's also frustrating how bad they're at warmongering too.
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in reply to pewgar_seemsimandroid
Wikipedia is heavily biased in favor of center-left viewpoints. It doesn't allow similar right-wing sources to be cited in the same way that it allows similar left-wing ones. My solution to Wikipedia's bias problem would be to add bias labels to edits & users instead of banning sources along partisan lines. Users could voluntarily identify their own biases, and other users could dispute those labels if they believed they were inaccurate.
P.S. Wikipedia and Reddit are major contributors to why LLMs tend to have that left-of-center bias.

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in reply to andros_rex

I wouldn't say that; sometimes statistics, like crime statistics, are distorted at the point of collection. The misclassification of non-white offenders as "white" in crime statistics leads to an overrepresentation of white crime in the USA, which racist people could probably use as fuel for their perceived persecution.

In the UK, you'll see Pakistanis being labeled as Asian, which would lead people to joke that Japanese people are doing X or Y crimes. In the USA, you'll see Arabic or other non-stereotypical white names, and pictures of people obviously not white, being labeled as white.

P.S. I don't support any racist whatnot; it's just a notable example of data collection skewing a statistic and causing an overrepresentation of crimes committed by so-called white people.

The FBI’s White Crime Numbers Count More Than White Americans

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in reply to MorPolitics
That source is some guy's blog masquerading as a newspaper. Also, even if it's accurate, I don't see how "whites" (which has always been a malleable term) being marginally overrepresented in some subset of crime statistics is worth anyone's attention at this point. How is this of value to anyone except white supremacists trying to pretend their ideology is supported by facts?

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in reply to Soupbreaker
It's probably the wrong example to bring up, even if it is true, since it’s likely to elicit an emotional response that undermines the delivery of the original intent of my point: that data collection is a point where the statistics people rely on are often skewed.

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in reply to andros_rex

The main point is that flawed data collection is skewing the results. I don't remember where to find the one with the mugshots to be honest.

"In response to a directive by the U.S. Government’s Office of Management and Budget, the national UCR Program has expanded its data collection categories for race from four (White, Black, American Indian or Alaska Native, and Asian or Other Pacific Islander) to five (White, Black, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander). Also, the ethnicity categories have changed from “Hispanic” to “Hispanic or Latino Origin” and from “Non-Hispanic” to “Not of Hispanic or Latino Origin.” These changes will be reflected in data presented for 2013."

ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2011/resources/about-the-uniform-crime-reporting-ucr-program

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in reply to andros_rex

I don't really care about those statistics. I was just mentioning a notable mislabeling case. I don't like racism, & I think we should move beyond the tribal battle stuff. If you want to call me racist, you can call me racist for supporting "freedom of association," which would allow people to discriminate for arbitrary & goofy reasons. I support the coffee shop that didn't want to serve the Israeli guy & the Christian baker who didn't want to make a gay wedding cake.

While it is true that certain races currently commit more crimes per capita, these are trends subject to change; I doubt they are inherent to ethnicity. This is likely caused by cultural factors, learned helplessness, Marxism (which teaches an 'us versus them' mentality), ingrained persecution complexes, & other whatnot.

I also disagree with those who believe women shouldn't vote simply because they currently lean toward social democrats. While I agree that social democracy leads to poverty and stagnation, I don't think it's inevitable that women will always vote for social democratic candidates.

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in reply to MorPolitics

'Right wing sources' are just lies at this point: white genocide, taxing rich people is communism, climate change isn't real, women don't deserve rights because god doesn't recognize them as human, more cops make society safer, more prisons make society more free, more gun sales make society safer, trans people commit every crime and are the cause of every economic failed policy, the global elites (billionaires) are going to help us fight the real global elites (college kids, moms).

Like idk man I just don't see a way anyone honest can make the claim that factuality is not politically aligned. If you want facts you have to bias towards facts, if that creates a political bias, that's a problem for politicians not people interested reality.

Once you start trying to pander to all political groups you've abadoned factuality.

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in reply to Fedizen
To fairly debate this, one would need to address your sweeping generalizations point by point. More importantly, right-wing sources aren't a monolith. For example, Fox News largely supports Israel, while the Mises Institute opposes foreign intervention & Israel. Reducing such a broad spectrum of thought into a single monolith is inaccurate. It might evince how left-wing people, when tendentious (like right-wing people can be too, since we're all flawed humans, including myself), can distort their political opposition's perspective out of convenience or rational ignorance, i.e., they don't have time to investigate what their opposition thinks.

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in reply to MorPolitics

I mean the problem with your critique is its dishonest: prominent right wingers like elon musk promote white genocide conspiricies. Every one of those fake ass conspiricies I mentioned has been stated by a prominent republican.

In order to "balance the scales" you have to embark on campaign of finding like online commenters or drunk kids on the street to get the same level of insanity of belief on the left. Then you have to pretend like actual prominent people are saying these things on the left. Which they aren't.

All you're doing is saying that you are willing to argue against reality in order to pander to liars and comfort them.

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in reply to Fedizen
Honestly, white populations are being replaced through open-border policies. I'm not really a tribal person, so I don't particularly care about maintaining a population with any specific demographic makeup. I also wouldn't say that ideas about population replacement are necessarily fake or something like that. I do currently support controlled borders for a nation-state, but not because I want to control the ethnic composition of the population. In my opinion, that kind of thinking is strange and overly tribal.
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Excuse me but could you explain what an "open border policy" even is? Are you talking about visas for skilled labor? Is this something to do with migrant seasonal labor? Refugee programs?

What the fuck are you even talking about? There's not a single goddamn country in the world that meets the criteria for some definitions of "open borders" and other defitions are met by every single country on earth.

Supporting or not supporting "open borders" is not a political stance because there's no meaning to the words, its nonsense.

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in reply to Fedizen
It's one of those terms that means different things to different people, which can cause problems when discussing policy, similar to how people use the term "democratic socialism." The literal definition of "open borders" would be an anarchic policy. The context in which I used the term, which you probably didn't understand, perhaps due to a poor explanation on my part, was referring to open borders as a lack of adequate enforcement or supervision of the border (which, in effect, is an open border), with enough immigration to shift electoral outcomes or to supplant a native population's norms, culture, etc.

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in reply to MorPolitics
So what you're saying is "open borders" is used to describe a "feeling" you have about the border. Its not a factual description, its not an objective description, its an emotional invokation of a feeling you have regarding the border and like tourists from mexico or something.

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in reply to Fedizen
I don't understand. The idea that inadequate border control policies & immigration policies can lead to mass migration into a country seems quite objective to me.
I'd say I'd be making an empirical claim thingo there, no? Did I mess up some phrasing or something earlier?

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in reply to MorPolitics

You understood "open borders" is subject to wildly different interpretations yet you still used it because it represents what you want to convey the best: Your personal feelings.

There's no way to measure the following as they are weasel words for people's feelings because they represent goals or thresholds nobody agrees on and people can always say they're upset about them regardless of measurable outcomes.
- border patrol 'adequacy'
- 'openness' of borders
- 'mass migration'

There's way to measure:
- legal immigration numbers
- misdemeanor border crossings
- costs and results of border enforcement
- asylum seekers and rejection rates
- tourist crossings
- visa types and issues
- immigration quotas
- visa and tourist overstays
- enforcement actions

Which measurable outcomes are you actually upset about?

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in reply to MorPolitics
Perhaps because right wing sources have a higher tendency to create disinformation and fabricate facts than left. As an example today most far right wing politics in Western countries seem to be based on dangers of a non-existing enemy. Similarly Russian troll farms generally disseminate right wing ideologies in the form of distorted facts. Staying center for a knowledge source is the ideal but if I had to pick a side would definitely go center left.
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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

Fuck the NYP, but sadly both can be true.

Look at the University of California. Paying slave’s wages to faculty in spite of ever-increasing tuitions that only feed a giant tumor called “admin.”

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in reply to resipsaloquitur
Look at the University of California.


There was a lot of money that UC funneled to construction companies and banks during the LIBOR rigging scandal. It affected a lot of universities around the country, and became big news when Harvard sued to get their money back. The UC Regents said "nothin to see here" and elected not to pursue getting the stolen money back. Shortly after, one of those regents got a VP gig at Wells Fargo (with no prior banking experience).

So yeah... fuck the NYP for sure, but education budgets are badly bloated and the crookedness is rampant.

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The conservative goal would be for schooling to be as affordable as possible, without artificial barriers restricting supply for the benefit of unions rather than students. I can't really speak for all conservatives because, first, I'm not one, & second, there's a huge diversity of thought within conservatism. For example, some conservatives support Israel's genocidal actions in Gaza, while others oppose them, so there are obvious huge differences of opinion within the tent that is 'conservatism'.

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in reply to MorPolitics

What monetary evidence have you seen that makes you think unions are the most expensive barrier to education?

All the evidence I've seen has shown education costs have outpaced even CEO/administrative pay (one of the highest rising costs in society, dwarfing even housing inflation.)

Chalking it up to unions and union workers (whose pay is often rising at inflation rates or below) seems a bit absurd.

To use a metaphor its like saying we should address a sinking ship by opening an umbrella on the roof to deflect rain instead of finding and sealing the actual holes. Maybe the rain adds to the water but shouldn't we be discussing the hole first: rising cost of living and administrative costs.

The hyperfixation on eliminating unions while ignoring real problems and costs seems less like 'conservative fiscal responsibility' and more like '2011 Scott Walker corruption ideology'

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in reply to Fedizen
I shouldn't have only mentioned unions. A better way to put it is that I take issue with education when it isn't oriented to serve the consumer (i.e., the parent or student). I would oppose eliminating unions, as I actually like many of them; I just don't like closed-shop unions. I also like worker cooperatives, but I don't support mandating them.

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in reply to MorPolitics

Realistically though, lets set aside unions as they are at best irrelevant to any real discussion of education and at worst simply the subject of cold war hyperfixation and irrational fear.

What is a real cost saving measure that could be brought to education?

Technology fees, subscriptions and infrastruction are, for instance, a major cost burden that has arisen in the last 40 years during the course of time where educational costs have skyrocketed. Why don't I ever see conservatives talking about reducing educational technology costs?

There is a similar problem with legal and administrative costs as well.

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in reply to Fedizen
I tell people to try to take the GED & graduate high school early (since it's a waste of time & full of propaganda), then save money on their first year of college by taking CLEP exams using vouchers provided through completing Modern States courses.

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in reply to MorPolitics

There's a lot to be said for community college transfers, testing out of credits etc from a purchaser perspective. While that can help individual students I don't think it addresses larger problems about rising costs in the academic sector and the fact that high costs make planning and attending colleges a high cost, moderate risk proposition.

For instance, an ideal college system would reduce need for corporations to request h1b visas

The level of bureacracy (both for students and institutions) required to maintain so many grant and voucher systems including secondary bureacratic patchworks like H1b visas could all be drastically reduced by subsidizing college tuiton prices across the board to the point where college costs were less of a financial burden.

One might argue that eliminating tuition costs entirely would pay for itself in reduced bureacratic burden across the government and would make it easier for corporations to retrain employees rather than importing them.

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Here's a direct source for Wikipedia's own position on source reliability. I could send you someone's interpretation of it, but those interpretations would introduce another layer of bias, so it's better to look at the source itself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger have both criticized Wikipedia in ways similar to my own criticisms, but they share some of my biases, which might cause you to dismiss their views as well if you already have a strong opinion on the matter.

Larry Sanger bias drama discussed from a perspective likely closer to your own bias. - nytimes.com/2026/06/25/business/media/wikipedia-larry-sanger-barred.html

wiki.encyclosphere.org/WikiProject_Intellectual_Diversity

Larry Sanger - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger
Jimmy Wales - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales

P.S. It's possible to dislike right-wingers and still acknowledge that Wikipedia has a bias problem.

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in reply to VetOfTheSeas
"this man is investing in making kids smarter rather than making my stock portfolio increase by an additional 0.0001% and this makes him an existential threat to society" NY Post, translated from newspaper editor
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in reply to VetOfTheSeas

The Post is only fulfilling its original purpose since it was founded by Alexander Hamilton; it is a political mouthpiece for the moneyed interests in New York City.

One of their earliest political hit pieces absolutely decimated John Adams' already tenuous political career in the public eye and ultimately paved the way for Jeffersonian politics to calcify around the heart of our nation's politics.