programs like vim should make you type the quit command at least once before allowing you to use the program so it stops being such a noob trap from all the terrible tutorials telling people to edit a text file with it specifically.
@Kiloku @syphist For basic file manipulation, sure. Still will need to access the terminal for loads of stuff. And if I'm gonna access the terminal anyways, I may as well stay in it instead of switching back and forth.
Projects should offer noninteractive one liner install commands (with curl piped into bash). This way KDE and some WM users can put it in the search bar and run it there. You don't even have tp worry about complicated terminal outputs since you can't see it.
This convenient install method doesn't need app stores or package managers to install. The installer can also create a service that automatically updates the program in the background like in Windows.
If there's one thing I could complain about here it would be the extremely poor floppy disk support, when I tried to format a disk in the UI it said that the Disk was too small for that file partition which is a stupid limitation and is obviously a lie since yes FAT file systems do support disks that small as it's the filesystem used by them.
It's very annoying because I do still have to format disks (both HD and DD) for use in older machines.
I feel like the linux community either has very little care when it comes to legacy support or they might actually hate it.
the names of all the most used command line shit being random 2-3 letter nonsense is entirely understandable once it's been explained but telling people "oh just use [asdf]" when they havent heard of that program without telling people what the hell those letters stand for is one of the things that intimidates people away from linux and
a lot of the time when people say "just google it" is actively hostile, it's okay and good to be helpful to people on occasion, we all know how to google things, showing humanity and connecting with someone is a greater teacher and a more welcoming act than any wiki page
Most Ubuntu users who complain about Snap wouldn't if the Firefox and Chromium Snaps had feature parity with their debs before the transition packages hit the apt repos.
Packaging opinions: Flatpak is the best packaging format, no contest. Snap has an absolutely proprietary backend and is rightly shamed. AppImages are ok I guess... I will hear nothing about Nix until someone can make an actually intuitive GUI for it. Nobody should be recommending actually using the AUR (or anything Arch-related for that matter).
@Brodie Robertson Immutable distros with Flatpak would probably be the standard already, if only the end users could choose to "sudo" a Flatpak into full system access at will.
Using Chrome or any derivative is actively anti-Linux because of the importance of the open web for OSs that aren’t the top 2 most popular. Allowing the web to ossify around a Google product gives Google control over your machine.
windows apps are easiest to distribute due to stable ABI.
(Neo)Vim configuration is not fun and takes too long and I don't want to spend hours to remap commands or install plugins. I did that once but it was exhausting.
While Linux DE's should always be themeable and hackable, often it's just way better to stick with defaults.
Arch is a noob trap that makes people dislike Linux devices because they think everything is unnecessarily complex because their Linux pro friend said "just use arch lol"
Debian stable is only for enterprise use. Debian testing is for home use.
Stable distros in general have been detrimental for home users.
Flatpaks would be nicer if the security-usability slider was way more at the usability side.
Linux command-line tools should output their results as structured, serialized data objects (e.g. XML or Protobuf) instead of as lines of text in order to make scripting more robust.
@Tau IMO, one of the things that makes *nix so powerful is that basic, dumb, line-delimited text is the userland's fundamental data type. It's dead simple, trivial to parse with the available tools and easy to diagnose.
PowerShell is probably the Right Thing on Windows but I maintain that the *nix way is superior.
(These are supposed to be *bad* takes, after all.)
If NixOS was more user friendly (better docs, more uppstream projects with docs and easy ways to do regular linux things like systemctl enable autmagically creating a entry in configuration.nix) it would become the default distro recommendation for everyone
linux from scratch is not from scratch since you arent writing kernel yourself, also arch and gentoo are only acceptable distros everything else is a government sponsored injection.
linux is kinda crappy but that's ok because everything is kinda crappy and linux is asymmetrically crappy which is just great because switching up what kind of shit you're drowning in every once and a while can be very refreshing
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in reply to Brodie Robertson • • •Projects should offer noninteractive one liner install commands (with curl piped into bash). This way KDE and some WM users can put it in the search bar and run it there. You don't even have tp worry about complicated terminal outputs since you can't see it.
This convenient install method doesn't need app stores or package managers to install. The installer can also create a service that automatically updates the program in the background like in Windows.
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in reply to Brodie Robertson • • •If there's one thing I could complain about here it would be the extremely poor floppy disk support, when I tried to format a disk in the UI it said that the Disk was too small for that file partition which is a stupid limitation and is obviously a lie since yes FAT file systems do support disks that small as it's the filesystem used by them.
It's very annoying because I do still have to format disks (both HD and DD) for use in older machines.
I feel like the linux community either has very little care when it comes to legacy support or they might actually hate it.
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Snap has an absolutely proprietary
AppImages are ok I guess...
I will hear nothing about Nix until someone can make an actually intuitive GUI for it.
Nobody should be recommending actually using the AUR (or anything Arch-related for that matter).
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in reply to Brodie Robertson • • •windows apps are easiest to distribute due to stable ABI.
(Neo)Vim configuration is not fun and takes too long and I don't want to spend hours to remap commands or install plugins. I did that once but it was exhausting.
While Linux DE's should always be themeable and hackable, often it's just way better to stick with defaults.
Arch is a noob trap that makes people dislike Linux devices because they think everything is unnecessarily complex because their Linux pro friend said "just use arch lol"
Debian stable is only for enterprise use. Debian testing is for home use.
Stable distros in general have been detrimental for home users.
Flatpaks would be nicer if the security-usability slider was way more at the usability side.
NixOS is not interesting.
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IMO, one of the things that makes *nix so powerful is that basic, dumb, line-delimited text is the userland's fundamental data type. It's dead simple, trivial to parse with the available tools and easy to diagnose.
PowerShell is probably the Right Thing on Windows but I maintain that the *nix way is superior.
(These are supposed to be *bad* takes, after all.)
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