PSBLACKOUT (boycott of PlayStation)
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Apparently there will be some boycott of PS in regards of decision to discontinue disks.
From 23 to 30 of August.
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in reply to mecen • • •I gotta ask, why do people even care about this so much?
The games in most cases haven’t been fully contained on the discs since the PS2 era. With patches, updates, and required downloads to play, the disc itself is functionally useless in most cases.
Why is this such a big deal? Why is this the hill to die on and boycott over who knows how many other horrible things and business practices around?
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terranoid
in reply to tomkatt • • •Because you don't own the game anymore. You're renting it from them, as long as they decide to keep it online, and they won't forever.
It's like "buying" a movie on Amazon. It's not the same as buying a bluray or DVD. It means renting it from them as long as they keep serving it. They eventually will turn that service off and you won't "own" it.
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tomkatt
in reply to terranoid • • •Right, but because the full content isn’t on the disc, that happens anyway even with physical media, and all you’re left with is a fancy coaster for your drinks. That’s why I don’t really get the fervor over discs.
Like, IIRC the God of War reboot was an example. The disc only held a key and about 950 MB of data. The rest (like 40 or 60 GB) had to be downloaded from their servers.
Even having a physical disc you don’t “own “ the game in the way you describe. As I said, that’s pretty much been the case for many/most games since the 7th gen consoles (XB360 and PS3).
I should disclaim that I abandoned consoles in Gen 7, partly because of this stuff (and bandwidth throttling, walled ecosystem, etc.), and that was nearly 15 years ago. I just don’t get why the discs being removed is cause for anger now when the disc itself has been materially useless in many cases for two console gens now.
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iamthetot
in reply to tomkatt • • •Assuming you are speaking about 2018 God of War, you are mistaken.
The vast majority of games on disc play without any internet connection. The disc being "materially useless" is a straight up lie.
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in reply to iamthetot • • •I don’t own the console, just remembered reading about it and was mistaken about the specific game. Looked it up, Doom: The Dark Ages only has 85 MB on the disc, and God of War: Ragnarok was digital code only in the case with no disc. Jedi Survivor is another one with a required day one patch.
My understanding is around 30% of PS5 games are not playable without patch updates. This is something that started way back in PS3 with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 IIRC, as that game was literally unplayable due to crashing without a day one patch.
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iamthetot
in reply to tomkatt • • •Yes, there are some games that cannot be played without internet. You'll note that I never claimed otherwise.
Those game publishers should rightfully be called out and shamed.
What remains true is that the vast majority of games released on disc are playable without any internet at all. Discs are by no means "materially useless" in 2026.
tomkatt
in reply to iamthetot • • •Fair enough. I feel more than a week boycott will be needed if you actually want to enact change, but hope you folks can convince Sony.
I don’t really have a dog in this fight, I’ve been a PC gamer since fully abandoning consoles (outside of some now retro handhelds) in 2012. Just wanted to understand why this was such a big deal, as my gaming has been pretty much fully digital now for close to 15 years. I don’t even have anything in my home that could play DVDs or Blu-rays. But I’ll admit, my platform of choice isn’t proprietary (heck, these days I game fully on Linux).
Best of luck, and hope you can enact the change you want here.
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in reply to zaphod • • •Full control over your game catalog.
Banned account = all your games gone.
Banned account, but games on disk = all your games are available.
steel_for_humans
in reply to tomkatt • • •I think there are two types of people who care. Collectors and resellers / buyers of used copies.
I play a mix of games, some digital and some physical. I don't buy used copies (I, perhaps naively, believe that I support the developers by purchasing new copies — and by "support" I mean they can make more games that I like), but I sell the games that I have finished (well, most of them). I think I buy/play more digital games than physical, part of the reason is PS Plus / PS Portal.
However, I don't like that Sony wants to abandon physical media. I believe customers should have a choice. Also, the digital versions are almost always more expensive than physical, and for years they've been misleading us into believing that digital distribution is supposed to be cheaper. Yeah, right.
If Sony controls all means of distribution, by cutting off physical media, they will further increase prices for games and subscriptions, because why not. Consumers will have no choice if they still want to play on their PlayStation.
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in reply to Guitar • • •I feel like we have a misunderstanding. I don’t own a PS5, and sold all my consoles as of the PS3/Xb360 generation, sometime between 2010 and 2012. For ownership I can buy at GOG, or buy Steam games that don’t have DRM.
I’m not sure how this leads to Sony having a monopoly? Or how it changes it? If a game is only available on PS5, it’s only playable on PS5, with it without a disc. If it’s multi-platform the issue is moot either way.
I’m a big advocate of ownership. I strip DRM from my books, I have a NAS full of FLAC music I purchased rather than stream. I boycotted EA and bought nothing from them for nearly a decade when Madden became console exclusive, on principle.
It’s just… if you care about ownership, why play on a proprietary, locked down platform in the first place? And exactly how does a one week boycott resolve the issue? It just seems half-assed? Why not boycott altogether and/or change platforms?
And why just Sony? Nintendo is releasing carts that are literally just game codes for download. How is
... Mostrar másI feel like we have a misunderstanding. I don’t own a PS5, and sold all my consoles as of the PS3/Xb360 generation, sometime between 2010 and 2012. For ownership I can buy at GOG, or buy Steam games that don’t have DRM.
I’m not sure how this leads to Sony having a monopoly? Or how it changes it? If a game is only available on PS5, it’s only playable on PS5, with it without a disc. If it’s multi-platform the issue is moot either way.
I’m a big advocate of ownership. I strip DRM from my books, I have a NAS full of FLAC music I purchased rather than stream. I boycotted EA and bought nothing from them for nearly a decade when Madden became console exclusive, on principle.
It’s just… if you care about ownership, why play on a proprietary, locked down platform in the first place? And exactly how does a one week boycott resolve the issue? It just seems half-assed? Why not boycott altogether and/or change platforms?
And why just Sony? Nintendo is releasing carts that are literally just game codes for download. How is that different? The cart is essentially useless and conveys no ownership in that case either.
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Guitar
in reply to tomkatt • • •Exclusives are a thing, and its a hell of a lot cheaper to play on a system I own versus building a PC. Also I have built a massive physical collection over decades that I want to continue adding to. PC doesn't really allow me to do that, although it is good that you have a few options to get games without DRM. But Steam definitely still does the exact same thing as Sony and Microsoft with revocable licences.
What Nintendo does with the game key cards is shitty DRM. But they also allow you to resell the cart or share it. So it's a little more than a code in a box situation. Regardless, Nintendo has actually comitted so far to putting their own games on the carts. The only exception with that so far has been Pokopia, but Nintendo only has about a 30% say on Pokemon related games. Really the majority of the games coming out on Switch are physical releases and Nintendo actually sells significantly more physical than the other two big console players. The games you'll find doing game key cards tend to be from the shitty publishers that have been very clear about how bad they are
... Mostrar másExclusives are a thing, and its a hell of a lot cheaper to play on a system I own versus building a PC. Also I have built a massive physical collection over decades that I want to continue adding to. PC doesn't really allow me to do that, although it is good that you have a few options to get games without DRM. But Steam definitely still does the exact same thing as Sony and Microsoft with revocable licences.
What Nintendo does with the game key cards is shitty DRM. But they also allow you to resell the cart or share it. So it's a little more than a code in a box situation. Regardless, Nintendo has actually comitted so far to putting their own games on the carts. The only exception with that so far has been Pokopia, but Nintendo only has about a 30% say on Pokemon related games. Really the majority of the games coming out on Switch are physical releases and Nintendo actually sells significantly more physical than the other two big console players. The games you'll find doing game key cards tend to be from the shitty publishers that have been very clear about how bad they are for a decade. Though, there are exceptions.
Sony is currently the largest player in the console space and they have been for over a decade. Xbox is flailing and Nintendo is in a pretty comfortable second place. They feel like they have enough control over the market at this point to try a move like this. If they remove the ability to purchase a physical disk, there is no more retail competiton.
Right now, you can buy God of War digital from Sony for $70 or you can shop around and maybe get it for $40-50 on Amazon or something. If there are no more disks, the only way you're playing that game now is going directly through Sony's storefront that they control every price and sale on. On top of that. They get a cut for every game sold on their storefront, rather than say Gamestop getting part of it. This is how it becomes monopolistic. And this hurts digital only players as well. Because when you have no more choices, Sony now has all the power to set prices, and chose when, if ever, their games go on sale. The less choice there is, the worse off the whole industry gets.
Multiplatform games are only moot as long as you still have a choice to get it DRM free. If everyone follows Sony's example, we are all fucked. Maybe after enough time, publishers stop going through GOG too, so you would be forced into a revokable license through Steam. You only get to have your choices as long as companies cannot take them away. Because the moment you let them, they will. I agree that a week long boycott is half-assed. That doesn't mean there is no point in doing one. It just means people should be calling for a longer one.
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tomkatt
in reply to Guitar • • •Not sure what you mean by “if everyone follows Sony’s example.” Sony is the one following, and DRM has been around since old PC games in the 80s.
Denuvo, easy anti-cheat, EA Play and Ubisoft’s platform with forced logins and online requirements, and plenty of other DRM methods have been around long before all this.
If you want to change it, you have to not buy from them entirely, not just do a short partial boycott. They only ever back down if there’s a major cost.
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in reply to tomkatt • • •They should be. That's why people care.
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iamthetot
in reply to tomkatt • • •The overwhelming majority of playstation games are contained in disc and playable without internet.
We can argue about what "fully on disc" means in regards to day one patches and whatnot, but you don't need those to play the game. Buy a disc, place it into an offline ps5, install it, and play.
And you'll be able to do that in twenty or thirty years when they bring their digital purchase servers offline, too.
Pika
in reply to tomkatt • • •My biggest problem with this, is lack of ability to resell. I would be saying the same if they made it so the disks are license only locked to the first account that plays them.
The issue for me isn't the content of the disk, it's what the disk allows.
That being said, if I had to choose between the disks acting like a key, or the disks containing the game I would obviously choose the disk playing the game.
But if I had to choose between a disk acting as a key, or no disk at all. I'm going to choose the disk acting like a key.
Not that I've ever actually sold any of my games, or hardware. But I would still like the ability to if I wanted.
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in reply to popcar2 • • •*150$
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in reply to Mikina • • •LOL.
And people buy that.
Gaming market is FUCKED UP beyond recovery.
Martineski
in reply to msage • • •AAA gaming market*. Indie market is unaffected by this bullshit.
Mikina
in reply to Martineski • • •This, aside from recently playing Death Stranding I got for free, and occasional Guild Wars 2 because they are pretty cool, I have not paid for (or played) an AAA game for years at this point.
There's so many cool indie games if you know where to dig, there's really no need to play another remastered AAA slop.
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in reply to Davel23 • • •if its longer than a week maybe, a week boycott is just a piss in the wind.
For perspective, the Montgomery bus boycott, which is usually used as a prime example of how well boycotts can work, lasted for 381 days.
But yea a 1 week surely will do something.
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in reply to mecen • • •1: nobody's going to do it
2: this is completely boneless. It's not even calling for people to cancel their PS+ subscriptions.
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Pika
in reply to ampersandrew • • •I feel like I should add while yes they removed the microtransaction, they did the absolute bare minimum they had to do.
I also feel like this type of boycott doesn't match that type, the one you linked was a permanent boycott until the changes were done, not a week long one. People were straight refusing to buy it period till it was fixed, and people who did buy it was review bombing it.
For clarification: The issue was they implemented a massive XP grind that was reliant on you spending money to level your coach. At the same time they had removed the ability to make it easier to obtain the XP. They removed the microtransactions as a whole for that mode, and readded the previous games XP slider but removed the fastest mode and kept only a 1.5x mode, and didn't rebalance anything else in the game, so you still have a game that was intentionally geared torward's someone spending money to level, just without the ability to actually spend money to level. I'm sure some exec intentionally did that expecting people would complain and they could use it as a potential avenue t
... Mostrar másI feel like I should add while yes they removed the microtransaction, they did the absolute bare minimum they had to do.
I also feel like this type of boycott doesn't match that type, the one you linked was a permanent boycott until the changes were done, not a week long one. People were straight refusing to buy it period till it was fixed, and people who did buy it was review bombing it.
For clarification: The issue was they implemented a massive XP grind that was reliant on you spending money to level your coach. At the same time they had removed the ability to make it easier to obtain the XP. They removed the microtransactions as a whole for that mode, and readded the previous games XP slider but removed the fastest mode and kept only a 1.5x mode, and didn't rebalance anything else in the game, so you still have a game that was intentionally geared torward's someone spending money to level, just without the ability to actually spend money to level. I'm sure some exec intentionally did that expecting people would complain and they could use it as a potential avenue to readd the transactions again as a "see we listen to our community"
I personally do think a boycott on sony will eventually do something, but a week long one like this, isn't going to do anything meaningful.
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in reply to Guitar • • •Boycotts with deadlines expressed in terms of dates on a calendar have never been effective at anything besides making people think they're accomplishing something.
I've been boycotting Sony since they started charging for PSN. Join me. Unless you can't go that long without your precious God of War or whatever.
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Macallan
in reply to mecen • • •I don't remember the last time I turned on my PS5.
My PS5 controllers are full time connected to my steam deck.
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minorkeys
in reply to mecen • • •Feel the power of collective action, the power of community, the power that is your birthright!
If nothing else, be curious what would actually happen if y'all do this.
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Flamekebab
in reply to mecen • • •I'm in.
Admittedly I don't own a PlayStation.
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in reply to Kairos • • •? I mean obviously there's the possibility of it being shopped but there's no sort order you could do where Borderlands, Dragon Age, and Team Fortress would all be up there mixed in to the Call of Duty players while still showing primarily Call of Duty in the middle of the list.
Judging by the name order it seems like it's just 1 page of online players and 16 pages of offline players? I would guess maybe it was taken way after the boycott but I dont know the full context.
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Sanguine
in reply to Pika • • •Yup. People can't sacrifice anything these days to make a statement.
What is especially frustrating is how quickly these corporations would fold under pressure. Take a principled position for 1 week and watch what happens.
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in reply to Sanguine • • •I feel this exact way with GTA 6 right now but it got a lot easier for me when I realized how many thousands of potential hours of amazing experiences I already have in my library.
I'm starting to feel more fulfilled on going through that backlog than I am on whatever new game everyone is playing.
I should have taken this route a long time ago.
Shellofbiomatter
in reply to Sanguine • • •As soon as a timeframe is added, the company will just ignore it, especially something as minor as a week.
Boycott should not have an end date, only then would a company start to consider it and maybe try to do something to end it.
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in reply to Sanguine • • •My apologies.
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in reply to mecen • • •I'm not sure why it's a timed boycott.
I already decided a couple years ago that this is my last console from sony. (likely my last console period tbf) everything else they have done since then has been no concern. I haven't turned my ps5 on more than a handful of times in the last year. No reason to.
Their games are too expensive, are shit quality, and their entire mentality on giving "free" games to subscription members backfired horribly since I never bought any actual games using it, so therefore when I finally cancelled my sub I have nothing to bring me to turn the console on as well.
The Xbox has the same flaw atm, like yea gamepass is an amazing feature but, when you finally cancel that sub... there's nothing left for you, you won't see the advertising or the new games they offer, as you don't have a reason to turn the system on. That was the biggest thing that kept me on my ps3 and 4, when I was playing my actual games, I could slide onto the PS+ area and see what was new, and if something caught my eye I either bought it or downloaded it. With the PS5 an
... Mostrar másI'm not sure why it's a timed boycott.
I already decided a couple years ago that this is my last console from sony. (likely my last console period tbf) everything else they have done since then has been no concern. I haven't turned my ps5 on more than a handful of times in the last year. No reason to.
Their games are too expensive, are shit quality, and their entire mentality on giving "free" games to subscription members backfired horribly since I never bought any actual games using it, so therefore when I finally cancelled my sub I have nothing to bring me to turn the console on as well.
The Xbox has the same flaw atm, like yea gamepass is an amazing feature but, when you finally cancel that sub... there's nothing left for you, you won't see the advertising or the new games they offer, as you don't have a reason to turn the system on. That was the biggest thing that kept me on my ps3 and 4, when I was playing my actual games, I could slide onto the PS+ area and see what was new, and if something caught my eye I either bought it or downloaded it. With the PS5 and Xbox X nothing has brought me back onto the systems.... so nothing is making me feel like I should continue to spend money on the platforms.
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in reply to dil • • •You mean the shit I loathe, disable, and avoid games that require it.
Sniping is sooooooooo much more immersive when the trigger vibrates as you squeeze it. /s
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Auster
in reply to mecen • • •Having seem strong protests become meaningless for being one-offs, I'd strongly recommend, besides doing this initial boycott, to keep pressuring against them whenever you can. Get the games you're interested on competing platforms when possible, share the word of what they tried to pull, follow their competitors on social medias, etc. But don't let the dissatisfaction die until they correct course.
#PSBlackout
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HerbGrower
in reply to mecen • • •Lol, a single week? So pathetic. I am sure that will show them...
You voted with your wallet for this when you bought into their bullshit.
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MinnesotaGoddam
in reply to HerbGrower • • •You spent a single dollar at the company so you support everything they do is reductive and juvenile. Try engaging your brain.
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in reply to MinnesotaGoddam • • •Is a reductive an juvenile way of interpreting the original comment, how ironic. He's right, it seems during weekends peak PlayStation users go above 100 million, which would mean if even 1 million people followed this boycott, that's less than 1% of their active user base. It's too late, and it's because people like you spend hundreds of dollars for their hardware and service, year after year, and then you belittle it because you're in denial of making an awful decision.
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in reply to HerbGrower • • •My son who plays all the time going go whole month without turning on his PS5.
Fucking week! Thought it whole month of August? Also why wait towards the end? Such weak shit. Why bother they won't even notice.
Can we please extend this for whole month starting on August the 1st?
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in reply to nullspace • • •Realistic in the sense that its easy and won't do anything I guess.
Although what does not playing your games even achieve? It has a larger cost on you than it does on Sony. Playing games you already bought doesn't even benefit them.
Surely more effective and easier would be to keep playing the games you already have and just to indefinitely refuse to ever buy another Sony product. You don't lose anything you already had that way and they take a massive hit on future sales.
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in reply to Fizz • • •Didn't a lot of mods just open up again after by choice too? If more of them took a firm stance then perhaps reddit wouldn't have been able to replace them all so easily.
I don't know if there will ever be a better opportunity to have a large anti-reddit movement though, wouldn't be surprised if they have worked to prevent it since then.
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Azteh
in reply to Kaligalis • • •That's a great way to never get new games.
Obviously you have to take some risks, which is why return policies are great
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thatKamGuy
in reply to Donebrach • • •Absolute platinum tier brain-dead take.
The only “morons” around here are people who loudly and proudly share the same stupid disinfo, and try to disparage those that actually trying to keep this hobby from completely going down the shitter.
No one’s trying to take away your ability to buy and play digital games, so why the fuck are you advocating doing so for those that prefer physical media?
Has your dumb-ass not yet realised that physical media means competitive pricing, due to Sony’s online store needing to compete with B&M sales, as well as the 2nd hand market?
Once that’s taken away, and you’re stuck with “dynamic targeted pricing” of $70+ dollars for years-old titles - if you can even still purchase them - maybe then, the couple of brain cells floating around in that massive waste of space between your ears might just manage to find each other, and it will finally dawn on
... Mostrar másAbsolute platinum tier brain-dead take.
The only “morons” around here are people who loudly and proudly share the same stupid disinfo, and try to disparage those that actually trying to keep this hobby from completely going down the shitter.
No one’s trying to take away your ability to buy and play digital games, so why the fuck are you advocating doing so for those that prefer physical media?
Has your dumb-ass not yet realised that physical media means competitive pricing, due to Sony’s online store needing to compete with B&M sales, as well as the 2nd hand market?
Once that’s taken away, and you’re stuck with “dynamic targeted pricing” of $70+ dollars for years-old titles - if you can even still purchase them - maybe then, the couple of brain cells floating around in that massive waste of space between your ears might just manage to find each other, and it will finally dawn on you just how hard you’re now getting fucked over.
Oh, and by-the-way - removing digital-only titles and DLC from the sales metrics, something like ~50% of game sales are still through physical media.
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Donebrach
in reply to thatKamGuy • • •Meh. Pirates will always be there to make these things available for free if anyone cares.
Only fools will be champing at the bit to own a scratched to hell copy of the idea of Death Stranding or Elden Ring on a disk that doesn’t work on a system that doesn’t work when they can just download a rom of it for free off what ever the hell new site pops up in the future (or pay $0.30 for a native build on whatever computer platform is dominant then).
I got Wind Waker on like 3 different devices, all stored locally. I don’t care that I sold my physical copy of it (that I bought new for the game cube back in the day). I also don’t care that I also have a physical copy of its hd re-release collecting dust in a cabinet. Guarantee you’re not gonna be too sad that you can’t play your original copy of Ghost of Tsushima from disk on a PS5 20 years from now. But I’m sure you’ll be complaining that games are so expensive at $80 in 2046 (but that’s a different gamer essay).
... Mostrar másMeh. Pirates will always be there to make these things available for free if anyone cares.
Only fools will be champing at the bit to own a scratched to hell copy of the idea of Death Stranding or Elden Ring on a disk that doesn’t work on a system that doesn’t work when they can just download a rom of it for free off what ever the hell new site pops up in the future (or pay $0.30 for a native build on whatever computer platform is dominant then).
I got Wind Waker on like 3 different devices, all stored locally. I don’t care that I sold my physical copy of it (that I bought new for the game cube back in the day). I also don’t care that I also have a physical copy of its hd re-release collecting dust in a cabinet. Guarantee you’re not gonna be too sad that you can’t play your original copy of Ghost of Tsushima from disk on a PS5 20 years from now. But I’m sure you’ll be complaining that games are so expensive at $80 in 2046 (but that’s a different gamer essay).
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w3dd1e
in reply to Noxy • • •You bought a PS5? I still have a PS4 that hasn’t been turned on in 4 years.
Linux gaming is the way.
forestbeasts
in reply to Noxy • • •Yeahhh. We've got a PS4, and no PS5, initially because of the whole "you cannot back up your saves, at all, except with a cloud subscription" thing but now with this shit... yeah, nah. We're good with Linux PC (and our PS4 for a very few things).
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Dookieman12
in reply to mecen • • •Boycotts don't have start dates. They happen as soon as someone says it happens and you're either in, or you're out.
Boycotts don't have end dates. They happen until demands are met. If that means you never buy/do that thing again, so be it. If you're not prepared to commit all the way, don't participate.
Over time, the definition of "boycott" has been watered down to make people forget what makes a boycott effective. People have forgotten that the Montgomery Alabama bus boycotts lasted for literal years and saw people donating time and money to fixing up old cars, horse-drawn carriages, and carpooling to make them effective.
If you want real change, you have to be prepared to take real action. This one week boycott is pussy shit and won't solve anything. If you're gonna organize, do it for something that will work.
The boycott begins today. Right now. No more PS+ logins or payment. No more buying new games or consoles. No more anything that puts money in Sony's pocket (buying used is fine, that money only goes to the reseller) and it lasts until Sony rever
... Mostrar másBoycotts don't have start dates. They happen as soon as someone says it happens and you're either in, or you're out.
Boycotts don't have end dates. They happen until demands are met. If that means you never buy/do that thing again, so be it. If you're not prepared to commit all the way, don't participate.
Over time, the definition of "boycott" has been watered down to make people forget what makes a boycott effective. People have forgotten that the Montgomery Alabama bus boycotts lasted for literal years and saw people donating time and money to fixing up old cars, horse-drawn carriages, and carpooling to make them effective.
If you want real change, you have to be prepared to take real action. This one week boycott is pussy shit and won't solve anything. If you're gonna organize, do it for something that will work.
The boycott begins today. Right now. No more PS+ logins or payment. No more buying new games or consoles. No more anything that puts money in Sony's pocket (buying used is fine, that money only goes to the reseller) and it lasts until Sony reverses its decision to stop printing physical games.
If we want to continue boycotting until they revise their digital licensing, we can demand that once we've made progress on the physical media. That's what everyone cares about, so let's keep the demands short and simple with that as the only one.
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jownz
in reply to Dookieman12 • • •Couldn't agree more!
Just cancelled my PS+ subscription with reason "other".
I'll see you all on the seven seas!
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to jownz • • •Shellofbiomatter
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •Technically pirated games can be put on a physical media and stored indefinitely, neither do those require online connection afterwards, so Sony cant just remove those and Sony won't be getting any money or user metrics for it either.
While not a perfect solution, it's a decent stopgap and will get more people on board than fully abstaining.
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in reply to jownz • • •Likely never will. The PS4 is still hard to jailbreak, and even harder to play pirated games on. Not to mention that if you do it you can’t connect it to the internet or you’ll have your entire PSN account banned.
Same with Xbox - still to this day uncracked and not playing pirated games 13+ years later.
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Shellofbiomatter
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •Yeah PS5 games can't, but PC games can be.
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Allero
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •Most important features of physical media are transferability (you can give the game to someone else and it will run) and autonomous access (you can run your game even if Sony or simply your Internet connection go down). Piracy typically checks both of these boxes.
It may not hold a collector's value if that's what you're after, but I'd argue this is secondary anyway. And if you simply want to hold a bunch of game disks, you can always buy an empty disk and put the game in there.
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to Allero • • •Just FYI because seemingly no one appears to know this, but if your console is set as your “home console”, you can play all of your digital games offline, forever, on it. You can back them up to external drives, and copy them back over to the console at any time and play them, even in a nuclear submarine under the ocean.
The “home console” thing make it store all of your licenses locally, so there is no need to connect to auth servers ever on that console to play the existing games. I used to have every single game I own on Xbox backed up on external drives, but couldn’t be bothered after a while as I have no issues with internet.
If I lost internet for a bit and couldn’t play a specific game because I didn’t have it downloaded, I’d just play something else until I have internet again. That’s not something I lose sleep over.
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in reply to Allero • • •A bit more info:
Xbox: support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/console/my-home-xbox
PlayStation: playstation.com/en-us/support/account/ps5-console-sharing-offline-play/
How to turn on PS5 Console Sharing and Offline Play
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jownz
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •I imagine this is going to lead to a resurgence of the homebrew scene. Not sure if I'll find games in the forest, or just get my fix watching a streamer long play the games I'm interested in.
No physical, no purchase. Period.
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to mecen • • •It’ll be small indeed based on the number of people who buy physical games.
Also this is what will happen 100%
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to Dookieman12 • • •raze2012
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •That's not true.
It's much simpler, this tweet from one dude won't have the reach to really make any impact. Awareness is the problem more than willpower, and it's werid that we think anyone who "broke" the boycott was even aware to begin with. Or cares.
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to raze2012 • • •But that’s not what I said. Again, I said that those who have joined this boycott will still likely play their digital games on their ps5 during the “boycott”.
I quote myself:
If you don’t know about the boycott, you’re not boycotting.
I’ve very clearly and explicitly pointed out to you twice now how you either misread or misinterpreted what I said even though it’s very clear. I’m hoping I don’t need to do it a third time because that would be sad.
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raze2012
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •I'm saying you're premise is flawed, unprovable, and simply bad. Does that get it through to you? You're making unfounded assumptions and triping down doesn't make it more correct.
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to raze2012 • • •What’s my unfounded assumption?
You keep saying that I’m talking about people who don’t even know about this “boycott”, despite my original comment clearly specifically talking about people who do know about it.
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Dr. Moose
in reply to Newsteinleo • • •Remember that screenshot of Steam group "boycott modern warfare 2" with almost every player with "in game: modern warfare 2"
njordomir
in reply to Newsteinleo • • •Yeah, are they going to stop after a week, stomp their foot, and tell Sony to knock it off?
I boycotted Walmart for years, realized I would never see any change, and continue to not shop there because Walmart sucks and my life is better now. If you make the change the goal, you are lining yourself up for disappointment. If you make doing business with companies congruent with your values the goal, you win if you last a week, you win bigger if you last a month, and you win the grand prize if they change or you leave and never look back!
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BeUnique
in reply to mecen • • •I don't even own a PlayStation and haven't since the PS3 but I truly hope Sony takes a financial hit on this one. Others such as Microsoft and Nintendo are paying very close attention to the results. If they manage to get away with this you know other consoles won't be far behind them. Hell, they already tried around 2020 causing the start of the whole GameStop short fiasco. Now they're trying to do it once again.
That being said, Sony doesn't give a flying fuck about a blackout. You want to really hit them where it hurts? Dump them. It's the only way.
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to BeUnique • • •Microsoft were going full digital next gen no matter what Sony did, as the next Xbox is a pc.
Nintendo will keep doing physical games for the foreseeable future as it’s much more necessary with handhelds.
If 10% of the physical game buyers convert to digital and stick around, it will likely be a net profit for Sony. I’d wager that number will be closer to 75% of “physical only” players just move to digital too.
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Wispy2891
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ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •But their Switch release made me angry at myself for believing in digital scarcity. I won't fall for haggling tactics like these again.
朧村正怪奇譚 [Nintendo Direct 2026.6.9]
Nintendo 公式チャンネル (YouTube)ZILtoid1991
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GoatSynagogue
in reply to ZILtoid1991 • • •Sony do not care about this in the slightest lol. It wouldn’t even register a blip on their radar.
Also Sony barely release games anymore because of how much of a hold they have over the industry.
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blackouttripleseven
in reply to mecen • • •the reddit thing failed bc the blackout had an end date, so this will fail too
if yall want to make a noticeable impact then stop using playstation (or sony) services until they revert their decision
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Bazimon
in reply to blackouttripleseven • • •I do want to give some insight. The reddit blackout did work technically. At least for me. I left reddit during the blackout and joined lemmy. Found it a lot better and remained.
Letting people get a taste for not bootlicking a corp during a blackout is a small way to kick start a change.
Sure it might not get measurable change in the way the shareholders would change their mind, but every little discression against major corporations is a step in the right direction and I don't think the people ITT should be shitting on people for trying to retaliate against Sony, albeit for a short time.
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ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂
in reply to Bazimon • • •Scrubbles
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Hueristic_Autistic
in reply to boaratio • • •Proprietary in design? Cause ps1, 2 and 3 had the memory cards and those were sold by MadCatz, Neon and there was another really good third party seller that sold those. The PSP original ran off of of regular memory sticks that you could use literally any brand but the speeds and quality of the Sony ones were set to specs for the PSP, like the Nintendo cards are set to specs for the system but in reality you can use nearly any SD card.
So whatchu talking about?
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boaratio
in reply to Hueristic_Autistic • • •This: Memory stick pro
A bunch of their laptops and the PSP/etc would only support these instead of a normal a USB flash drive. And Sony's stupid proprietary memory stick cost like 2x what other storage mediums cost.
Memory Stick - Wikipedia
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MufinMcFlufin
in reply to Hueristic_Autistic • • •I was under the assumption they were talking about the PS Vita memory sticks which were already expensive at release and haven't really followed the trend in prices that other SD cards have since then.
That problem is mostly solved these days by the modding scene making the SD2VITA so you can use regular MicroSD cards in the game cartridge slot, but Sony would still have you pay $65 for a 32GB stick of their official storage.
Meanwhile I found an SD2VITA available for $7 and a 128GB MicroSDXC card for $35.
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Localhorst86
in reply to Hueristic_Autistic • • •But with the PSP Go, they introduced the Memory Stick M2, which is dimensioned in such a way, that microSD Adapters are impossible.
With the PS Vita, they introduced yet another format, very similar to the M2 in size, but different enough to be incompatible. Again, no microSD card adapters exist, if it wasn't for nifty homebrew hacks utilizing the game card slot, there would be no way to use microSD cards at all.
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RamRabbit
Unknown parent • • •Yeah, switching to PC is a significantly more effective boycott strategy. You can still play games and give Sony $0.
Edit: And yes I realize PC generally doesn't have disks either. However, you aren't locked into PS' store and things like GOG exist. I make a point to buy games on GOG, and so should anyone interested in OP's boycott.
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thedeadwalking4242
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Cypher45
in reply to mecen • • •Wow! It's worthless!
As if a back out will convince a corporation that they are doing bad things and give up and change their minds.
Remember reddit black out?
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MidsizedSedan
in reply to Cypher45 • • •I'm gonna change my profile pic in support
::: spoiler just incase
/s
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atx_aquarian
in reply to Cypher45 • • •Yep. I also still remember the last PS blackout. That was 24 days.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_PlayStation_Network_outage
There's no changing Sony because there's no changing its users.
2011 PlayStation Network outage - Wikipedia
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Tiger666
in reply to Cypher45 • • •Couldbealeotard
in reply to RamRabbit • • •The comparison still doesn't make sense. You can't play a PlayStation disc on a different platform. If you buy a disc on console you are locked to that ecosystem.
Sony are doing this because not enough people buy discs to make it worth manufacturing, and PC gamers should know this because this new age of digital gaming started with the PC. Switching to PC just proves their point.
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NewNewAugustEast
in reply to Reygle • • •When I saw them bait and switch Linux again with the ps3 I was done.
Ps2 the last sony.
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VitoRobles
in reply to Reygle • • •Carlos Solís
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NewNewAugustEast
in reply to mecen • • •Why bother.
Leave Sony. Dont threaten. I walked away after the ps2.
The hardware is the problem and everyone seems to act like the physical media is the issue.
Open hardware or gtfo.
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chiliedogg
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •There's some stuff I'd love to experience on the PS5.
But I will not be spending nearly a thousand dollars for a set top box with limited functionality they can effectively disable when I'm no longer making them enough money.
And with SteamOS getting better and better, the convenience of a console over a PC is becoming less of a thing.
Honestly, once SteamOS has dedicated apps for things like Hulu and Netflix, I think we can really change things. Right now my parents have an Xbox where my Dad can play an occasional game, but the interface is simple enough for my Mom to open her streaming apps. Once SteamOS gets that simple, I'll be switching them over.
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Bluescluestoothpaste
in reply to chiliedogg • • •Like what?
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chiliedogg
in reply to Bluescluestoothpaste • • •Astrobot, Horizon, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, etc.
Some of the stuff I like from Sony (Last of US, Spider-man, Returnal) gets ported to PC eventually, but Sony has announced they're cutting back on that.
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NewNewAugustEast
in reply to chiliedogg • • •I don't think steam will ever have those things. But streaming devices are dirt cheap. The issue is codecs.
On the other hand I do have Plex and jellyfin on my steam deck to watch my shows when I am flying.
phx
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •I have a couple PS3's.
Bought used.
No online games.
I think I've bought more of their titles on PC than console.
It's not even a boycott, I just haven't seen value in their recent offerings and would rather spend my money elsewhere.
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NewNewAugustEast
Unknown parent • • •Oh well. They dont want to sell my the game, then I don't need the game.
PC is the only chance at you controlling the hardware, so it's the only choice.
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GoatSynagogue
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Honytawk
in reply to GoatSynagogue • • •Nah, the majority of gamers just don't care.
They just want to play their games and as long as it isn't too many hoops to jump through will stick with Playstation. They didn't even read the news about physical media.
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steelplatedmech
in reply to Couldbealeotard • • •You are locked to the ecosystem, but the disc function can't be revoked through account ban and is actually transferable to other people because of that.
Something Sony dislikes compared to digital where there is no second hand market.
Switching to PC proves the point that if games are digital people prefer open hardware and open OS options over locked down hardware.
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Couldbealeotard
in reply to steelplatedmech • • •Not that is should be a valid response, but you can jail break PlayStations to play whatever game you have a "back up" copy of. That tends to be my method of playing legacy PS games because it's easier than dealing with discs.
At the end of the day, console gaming is a different product to PC gaming. That's more obvious with Nintendo, but overall expectations should be different.
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Snapz
in reply to mecen • • •You know who would say economic boycotts don't do anything? A lot of people defending Target a couple years ago. You could ask their CEO at that time, bit he was fired after they set the record for consecutive weeks losing value on their stock.
If you have a console, join in. Maybe they will feel it. AND REMEMBER , one corporation always works to give the others cover to follow. So if you have another console, support. Do it, and tell friends.
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ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂
in reply to Snapz • • •Then be sure to tell the organizers to set the record of indefinite consecutive weeks of protest.
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yeehaw
in reply to mecen • • •I never understood these. Then the week after y'all will come back business as usual. How does it actually affect anything?
I owned a ps3. Last one I've owned. That's how you do it.
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UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to yeehaw • • •It gives certain social influencers a soapbox from which they can shout "Like, Subscribe, and Share!"
Modern day "boycotts" aren't really economic actions. They're media stunts advanced by affinity marketing groups intended to collect personal information and demonstrate their ability to mobilize large numbers of people.
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zqps
in reply to yeehaw • • •Agreed on the last part. But a less cynical take: Companies like Sony obsessively track their sales metrics. If a campaign like this does go viral, and only a few percent of people actually follow through, it does create a noticeable dip in the metrics and an explanation will be demanded internally. There's a small chance this makes certain managers a bit more careful about such decisions.
In rare cases companies have taken back or at least delayed similar moves, and they never do so without indication that it will indeed affect their bottom line.
Though I don't think this campaign will have much effect, since asking for a full week is not something many people will follow through with. Also Sony is clearly banking on the fact that customers will stay due to lock-in to their ecosystem.
BurgerBaron
in reply to yeehaw • • •yeehaw
in reply to BurgerBaron • • •Yeah I went from Sega to ps3 to switch 1 to nothing. But I've always owned a PC.
I still really want to play bloodborne, the emulation was rough when I tried it last, but I'm not gonna buy a ps4 just for one game.
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UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to UnLocoPoco • • •It's very funny to see folks talk about a boycott against a product that keeps selling out faster than the parent company can manufacture it.
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Elrecoal
in reply to mecen • • •I will keep not playing PS like I did since I got a PC lol, maybe even pirate my PS4 since I wasn't using it that much anymore.
Too bad I still got 45€ there from the last gift card I had received...
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Vlyn
in reply to mecen • • •If GTA 6 releases tomorrow as digital only they'd stumble over themselves to grab their wallets.
It's all performative.
rynn
in reply to mecen • • •r3g3n3x
in reply to mecen • • •These sort of things, if unorganized, just show corps and govs that nothing will change because there is no real organization beyond a call to action.
The real thing to do here is to organize something. Get people to sign up, just a simple list of everyone that agrees to it. Set up some sort of text or mailing list as a reminder, and actually do the thing. This is probably one of the most likely “protests” to succeed with proper organization and initiative because all those that participate have to do is not log on for a day.
It’s gotta be a place to start.
gointhefridge
in reply to mecen • • •ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂
in reply to mecen • • •godsammitdam
in reply to mecen • • •Why 1 week? Just do it indefinitely. Don't tell them you're coming back, make them have to entice your back. That's how you actually claim material wins. Otherwise they'll just treat you like a whining toddler and wait out your tantrum.
Announcing the end of a protest or boycott has always been the stupidest idea to me. Why give the enemy so much leverage?
If you have to be digital anyway, move to the platform that respects you. Or at least the one where you have more control. And where there are indie titles out the wazoo. And you don't have to pay an additional subscription just to play with your friends.
And while you boycott with no end, contact legislative representatives and organize groups to visit their offices and speak to them to ensure our rights to own when we purchase. Work with SKG and ensure art is allowed to continue existing.
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ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂
in reply to godsammitdam • • •proper boycotts were outdoors.
C👔s actually fled for their lives.
This is a performance.
godsammitdam
in reply to ㄖㄨㄖㄙ祂 • • •💯
It's assimilation to a system rather than a rejection to change it.
HerbGrower
in reply to godsammitdam • • •LavaPlanet
in reply to godsammitdam • • •godsammitdam
in reply to LavaPlanet • • •I hate to say it, but your argument is just about assimilation to a system and working within it. You've already succumbed to fear and are attempting to be accepted, working within the boundaries of the corporation rather than trying to affect change.
Why must we "give them an idea." Just do what you say in the very next line:
... Mostrar másDon't announce an ending to it. Your idea of "let's fire one shot, and another, and another" is an assimilation tactic within the system, not revolutionary and really only succeeds in exhausting those who seek to fight back.
I hate to say it, but your argument is just about assimilation to a system and working within it. You've already succumbed to fear and are attempting to be accepted, working within the boundaries of the corporation rather than trying to affect change.
Why must we "give them an idea." Just do what you say in the very next line:
Don't announce an ending to it. Your idea of "let's fire one shot, and another, and another" is an assimilation tactic within the system, not revolutionary and really only succeeds in exhausting those who seek to fight back.
If they have less customers, does that not affect the bottom line? If they have less customers, and less capture of new customers, is that not...less customers? Therefore less potential ad delivery, less potential to purchase on the storefront, all leading to a lower bottom line?
Delete your account. By your same logic above, this would be the most devastating to their bottom line. Not only would they lose customer count, but they lose retention. Logging back in shows that they have nothing to worry about. It looks performative rather than a rejection of the systems in place. Deleted accounts are more powerful than people going on vacation for a week. I promise you that that doesn't even register within account tracking and finance systems.
Sounds like you still fear them and aren't willing to show true resolve. You're conceding before you've even done anything. Why is it "clinically unhinged" to exercise a first amendment right? It's the first amendment for a reason. Showing up en masse to peacefully protest would do more than "logging out for a week." That's just a vacation. That is where time should be spent by organizers, instead.of organizing 23 weeklong boycotts across the next 2 years, organize a protest and help folks get there with a cohesive message and demands. And, arguably, executives should be scared. They use fear against us all the time, fear we'll lose our purchases, fear we'll lose our jobs, our healthcare. The point of a protest, the point of a boycott, is to remind them who holds the power.
LavaPlanet
in reply to godsammitdam • • •I don't necessarily disagree with you. Depending on what your aim is there, which isn't really explained in anything you have said.
I think we're talking about entirely different things. And different wants for outcome. I don't necessarily advocate personally for the efforts they've exampled, I just saw you didn't seem to understand their logic. So I explained what they aim for.
They aim to let PlayStation see the numbers in agreement behind the want for physical media. That's it. Just physical media. Stopping within a time frame, as a group, speaks volumes for that.
I'm entirely unclear on what you're trying to actually achieve, though. You want to abstain from PlayStation forever, that's it? I don't see why you are engaging in discussion about it, if you're just done, be done.
If you have a free week to sit outside some PlayStation headquarters, go do. I would suggest less people have that ability, than the number that have the ability to show, how many in numbers they are, by abstaining for a week.
I'm also not American and I don't live in America.
... Mostrar másI don't necessarily disagree with you. Depending on what your aim is there, which isn't really explained in anything you have said.
I think we're talking about entirely different things. And different wants for outcome. I don't necessarily advocate personally for the efforts they've exampled, I just saw you didn't seem to understand their logic. So I explained what they aim for.
They aim to let PlayStation see the numbers in agreement behind the want for physical media. That's it. Just physical media. Stopping within a time frame, as a group, speaks volumes for that.
I'm entirely unclear on what you're trying to actually achieve, though. You want to abstain from PlayStation forever, that's it? I don't see why you are engaging in discussion about it, if you're just done, be done.
If you have a free week to sit outside some PlayStation headquarters, go do. I would suggest less people have that ability, than the number that have the ability to show, how many in numbers they are, by abstaining for a week.
I'm also not American and I don't live in America. If you think your way is better, rather than sprout off, go gather numbers and organise.
godsammitdam
in reply to LavaPlanet • • •The main thing I'm aiming for is, I imagine, the same. Sony to reverse course and/or regulations/legislation to be implemented in favor of consumer protections.
... Mostrar másI agree with all of that. What I disagree with is the method of affecting change. Sony already sees the reaction and I'm sure its outlasted their initial expectations. Again, a week of people not signing in is a blip on the radar. I say this as someone in the tech industry. And more than just physical discs, which is a big part, I do believe this is about the consumer protections they offer as well, which have been peeled back with day 1 patches, keys on cards and discs rather than files, etc.
The main thing I'm aiming for is, I imagine, the same. Sony to reverse course and/or regulations/legislation to be implemented in favor of consumer protections.
I agree with all of that. What I disagree with is the method of affecting change. Sony already sees the reaction and I'm sure its outlasted their initial expectations. Again, a week of people not signing in is a blip on the radar. I say this as someone in the tech industry. And more than just physical discs, which is a big part, I do believe this is about the consumer protections they offer as well, which have been peeled back with day 1 patches, keys on cards and discs rather than files, etc.
As I mentioned above, my goal would be to preserve physical media and consumer protections in regards to games. To accomplish this you need to appear as a credible threat to the bottom line, not throwing a temper tantrum that can be calculated and waited out. I, already, am done personally, but this is a public forum. Others who are aligned can see and learn from discussion.
Less people do have that ability. That is exactly why mentioned that organizers' time would be better spent organizing mass mobilization instead of multiple intermittent blackouts.
And I already have, not for Sony, but for ICE, Tesla Takedown, and DeFlock. I'm working on helping fight against the privacy invasion and laws we're facing regarding age verification, digital personal privacy, etc. I'm only one person though. I'm recommending to the organizers of this boycott on more effective strategies to achieve their outcomes and would even further recommend aligning with the SKG movements as they should be aligned in these goals, preserving games and media.
samus12345
in reply to mecen • • •like this
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Lushed_Lungfish
in reply to mecen • • •guyincognito
in reply to mecen • • •Super Mega Ultra Edition DX Unleashed 64
in reply to mecen • • •Won't matter and Sony won't even notice you did anything, but sure, if it puts another trophy next to the others in your head, go for it.
I sold my PS5 a year ago. They make a new game once every two years and they're just movie-games and open-world slop. I'll live.
steelplatedmech
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in reply to mecen • • •Hal-5700X
in reply to mecen • • •🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮
in reply to mecen • • •I usually go months without using mine already. What would this even really do? They don't make money on the system simply being turned on, and they might have reduced costs in their server bill if everyone stops using them for a week or two.
Everyone should try and log into their account at once, multiple times a day to ddos the thing. 😌
DanceMomsSavedMe
in reply to 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 • • •Lol the absolute fucking panic at the c suite when a discord server figures out the exact number of users it takes to do that and starts coordinating it every day.
I know it will never happen but it would be hilarious.
Superorbit
in reply to mecen • • •Ilixtze
in reply to mecen • • •mesa
in reply to mecen • • •Effective ddos just logging in/out.
MasutaHarada
in reply to mecen • • •Axolotl
in reply to mecen • • •(I own only the PS1 btw)
87Six
in reply to mecen • • •timbuck2themoon
Unknown parent • • •I think part of it is people don't forego convenience but also that we've allowed corporations to cement hegemonies that there honestly is very little ability to boycott.
Some industries are so centralized it's impossible to effectively boycott and vote with your wallet.
Cypressed
in reply to mecen • • •some MildLad out there made a Calling Card persona-5 style, as if from the phantom thieves of hearts themselves, directed at Hideaki Nishino, the president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment himself.
i'm not saying something is gonna happen
but i am saying that if something did ever end up happening...
it would be really funny
;3
edit: i dunno if posting a discord CDN link will work but i'll see if i can attach it...
0xDREADBEEF
in reply to mecen • • •> Gamers when studios layoff thousands of workers:
Boycotts: 0
> Gamers when no discs:
This post
Seriously though, self-identified gamers (I haven't played games in years), learn how to do class solidarity first and maybe you'll get what you want?
r1veRRR
Unknown parent • • •This is the crowd that preorders a DIGITAL ONLY game that hasn't released a single lick of gameplay video. GTA 6 is proof that capital g Gamers are a lost cause.
The sane people that game have to just stay away from all the ball and gun Gamers, and support the indie scene.
steelplatedmech
Unknown parent • • •Big difference for me is PC is open hardware and open OS. Should the worst happen there are possible solutions from those voyaging the seas.
But, consoles are locked down, and jailbreaks can be years away.
Its why despite buying digital on PC without issue I continued to buy physical for consoles, since I felt more in control of PC hardware than I did console hardware. Physical on consoles was a way of gaining back some control despite the hardware being locked.
GreenKnight23
in reply to mecen • • •just a week?
the sentiment is nice, but those are rookie numbers. gotta pump it up to at least a month or three.
director boards don't care unless the quarter looks bad.
AmanitaCaesarea
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in reply to GreenKnight23 • • •Blackmist
in reply to mecen • • •Push for laws that force digital stores to provide full ownership of digital rights.
The ability to pass purchased licenses from one account to another would be a real game changer.
They're trying to kill ownership completely, and this would blow it wide open.
And that could just be step one. We need assurances about what happens when a store closes (can we download everything and archive it and play offline? will it be moved to another provider?) We need the ability to move purchases between stores. Hell, even between platforms. We need to make sure accounts that have paid for goods cannot be completely revoked under any circumstances. Locked out of online play or prevented from making further purchases, sure, but never just blocked.
Law makers have sat idly by for too long as our rights were taken from us. It's high time to take them back.
DeadDigger
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in reply to mecen • • •Games reshared this.