in reply to onlinepersona
I interpreted the question less about kde vs gnome, and more about kde or gnome vs other desktops. Maybe OP intended the former now that I read it again. I used to have heavily personal setups of DWM or CWM back in the day, with lots of small scripts to cover some functionality, but now I just want the "default" because the OS itself stopped being my hobby. Nothing against KDE, I just found GNOME to be more polished out of the box and stayed.
in reply to sando_en_shorts

Over the years, I don't think there's many DE's or WM's that I haven't tried to live with on a daily driver, such as KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon, Qtile, XMonad, I3, AwesomeWM, etc etc. What I found over the years was how much I appreciated a clean, simplistic UI for an operating system.

After spending multiple years on 'window manager only' setups (got fed up with updating configs on major updates, and got fed up with the amount of config I had to do), I returned back to KDE mainly for the intense amount of OOTB customisation. However, what I realised after a while was that I was just setting up KDE to look and behave like Gnome.

So 2 years after last using KDE, I'm now just using Gnome all the time. I like the workflow, on laptop personally I think the gesture navigation is better than any other DE, and I love the simplistic design. Plus extensions get me what isn't included OOTB.

Downside to Gnome is when major updates occur and extensions break as a result, other than that I can't think of much bad about Gnome

in reply to sando_en_shorts
I use KDE. I found GNOME annoying and extemely opinionated. I also got turned off by it when I asked a question on mastodon like a year ago about an issue I was having with GNOME and an actual GNOME dev replied to me and essentially said I was using the DE wrong. basically I wasn't using it the way the GNOME devs use it.
in reply to sando_en_shorts
GNOME makes it a pain to switch between two applications, unless you have a touchscreen or a keyboard always at the ready. There's a reason why Ubuntu ships with the Dash to Panel extension by default. And besides, the customization in GNOME is effectively non-existent since the migration to Adwaita, anything resembling theming is literally a hack on top. KDE, on the other hand, is more flexible, only problem is that most of the themes rely on a separate Kvantum engine, but otherwise it is certainly possible to customize things to your liking much more so than with GNOME.

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This is just a cursory search. Debian says he's still involved as of April this year, Gnome has him assigned to something as of last week.

contributors.debian.org/contributor/jbicha/

gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Releng/AppOrganization/-/work_items/43

in reply to sorghum

So he's still active, I guess your witch-hunt will continue then.

GNOME is not a single entity, it's hundreds of developers - it doesn't assign things to people. It looks like he's part of the releng team which gives him some responsibilities. The status quo will likely continue as he hasn't committed any infraction, though some people will refuse to work with him i guess.

in reply to imecth

I mean, yeah. I'd rather not run software made by convicted child molesters or people who turn a blind eye to it much the same way i would assume we would also not like to run the lunduke distro. No witch hunt here, can't change the past. What I'm more worried about is Gnome and Debian being cool enough with Bicha to have him be a spokesperson at their events.

Gnome has enough problems as it is, but this feels like throwing gas on the fire for their public image. KDE plasma is fine for me.

in reply to sorghum
I'd rather not run software made by convicted child molesters


I get that sentiment, but what would you want to happen here, should he have just stayed in prison? Should he end up in a ditch somewhere? At some point reintegration into society needs to be happen, and i sure as hell think contributing to FOSS is a good deal better for everyone.

in reply to imecth
If he'd not been a spokesperson and just another cog in the machine, I don't think anyone would have known who he was. Hell, even without that I don't think anyone would have known who he was if he didn't make a ruckus by vandalizing the xlibre wiki. When you have a past like the one Bicha has, you can't just go throwing stones. Now that it is out there, you can't unring the bell.
in reply to sando_en_shorts

I've been running KDE now, almost exclusively, for almost 15 years. KDE works (by default) in a way similar to the way Windows XP worked in the late 90's - late 2000's. It felt familiar enough that I didn't have to try and figure out most things that I wanted to do. The few things that didn't work the way I wanted ( or felt they should) were easy enough to change. XFCE was similar (had a Windows 95-98 feel) but was not as configurable.

Gnome 2, I rather liked as it had a feel similar to Mac OS 8 from way back when I was in school, however I just never got along with Gnome 3. Everything felt... off. I can use it, Just don't care for it. Same for most other DEs.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

KDE looks modern, has features I didnt even know I wanted. Whatever I can think of wanting it's either already there or I make a post on the fourm and its there in a month.

When I had an issue with an update removing something that I liked. I made a post and KDE devs added a toggle so I could keep the functionality I had before. Even though it was a minor thing they could have told me not to worry.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

I think there's not too many technical reasons to choose one or the other lol, just look up a couple of videos on Youtube and that might be enough for you to decide for yourself

or use distrosea.com/

EDIT: damn I guess this comment was controversial for some reason lol

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I like KDE because it is super customisable out of the box, and I personally prefer the more contrasty, colourful look of KDE over the more minimal and padded GNOME.

However, if you like GNOME, that's perfectly fine! With GNOME Extensions, you can also customise a lot, far more than Windows or MacOS lets you without sketchy third-party tools. And of course, Cinnamon, XFCE, Cosmic, etc. are all great too.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

First, I haven't used gnome in probably 15 years, so I can't give a fair comparison, but I've grown with kde over the last 3.

My opinion is that it's always worked for me, and is decently customizable. I couldn't use Wayland for the first 4+ months due to conflicts with my Nvidia card, but kde 6 (I think 6) fixed all of my issues.

On new Linux serious, I don't install the full kde suite, because I have other apps I prefer like alacrity instead on konsole. This keeps it lighter but with all of the other DE controls.

Also, I've not heard a bad thing of the kde dev team, but I have about gnome. I can't cite specifics, but I know I've read some bad stuff.

You can always install both DEs and try both out and determine which is best for you.

in reply to sando_en_shorts
I like Gnome because it doesn't have a Desktop that I can crowd with Icons and random files. The few times I tried KDE I just didn't really jive with it because the text and icons were super small by default and the whole handling was just..idk, too click-y? Yeah, it can all be adjusted and stuff, but default Gnome is just closer to my preferences than default KDE.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

A couple of years ago, I used both of them briefly and GNOME simply provided the more polished experience back then.

In time, I came to dislike the look/design of KDE apps.

So when the time came I wanted to ditch GNOME because I was sick of its extensions ecosystem, I didn't even consider KDE Plasma. Instead, I tried out Sway and eventually settled on COSMIC.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

Gnome lost a lot of functions when streamlining, just compare Dolphin to Nautilus, and instead of fighting their vision I went for a DE that works the way I want.
I love information density and easily get hooked on spreadsheet games, I feel as if that is the exact opposite of the Gnome vision.

edit: I prefer Gnome for touch only devices like Microsoft Surface Pro 7 without physical kbm.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

GNOME expects the user to adapt to the workflow its developers have in mind. The desktop environment should adapt to me, not the other way around.

Plus, I love customization and themes. But GTK app developers create angry websites where they try to shame me for it.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

When I got back to Linux some years back, I tried using GNOME because I had had good experiences with GNOME 2. Modern GNOME is awful, terribly opinionated and - in my view - has actual usability issues. Every interaction with the DE felt like pulling teeth and I didn't enjoy it one bit. GNOME Classic was better, but even that never felt quite right. At the time I wanted to use Wayland and therefore had limited options, so for the first time ever I tried Plasma, and I immediately found it to my liking. With only a few small cosmetic tweaks it felt like home. Things made sense to me and everything was where it should be - more or less; nothing's perfect. Since then I've looked at other options, but Plasma usually has one feature or another that alternative desktops lack or struggle with. So for now I'm sticking with Plasma, and I have no real reason to look elsewhere.

To be sure, I don't hate on anyone who prefers GNOME, it's just not my cup of tea. Not by a long shot. Use what works for your use case.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

Mostly for the shallow reason of the fact that out of the box KDE looks good enough and since it's big enough I can easily find a theme I like alongside things like cursors and icon sets that just look good. All without the headache of having to make my own sets. I like aesthetics moreso than I should sometimes.

I also like having a fair bit of settings to tweak and don't know if any other DE has integrated a "jiggle the mouse to make the pointer bigger" feature yet. That feature is absolutely something I love, as someone who occasionally loses his cursor.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

I like gnome, but, switched back to kde because the extensions I needed broke last fedora update.

I love cosmic, but the keyboard focus doesn't always follow into the correct tab, which was also a deal breaker

The only real issue I have with kde, is Google drive integration isn't baked in at the moment. But, I just use the website, and there were plenty of other solutions I could use too

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in reply to sando_en_shorts
I've used both pretty extensively (years daily driving each) but these days I just use stock KDE, with maybe a couple little adjustments to the taskbar. I like both.
I can adapt to different desktop workflows, GNOME's is good, but I found myself always using plugins to make it work more like a windows desktop.
I generally like the KDE suite of default applications a lot more than GNOME's, like Dolphin is just a better file manager than nautilus. And if I'm going to use KDE applications and a windows-styled desktop layout, at that point I might as well just use KDE.
in reply to sando_en_shorts

I tried Gnome a few times, last time maybe 3 years ago, but it just is not the right environment for me. It feels strange and everything is so complicated (most likely because I'm not used to it) and it is so limited when it comes to features and customization.

My first graphic OS was GEOS on the C64 back then, followed by Amiga Workbench, then different flavours of Windows. Using Linux with KDE just feels natural, it has the same usage paradigms and flows as all the OS/Environments I used before.

I had to use MacOSX for some time at work and I had the same issues with it that I had with Gnome, everything was a fight, nothing felt right or was at the place where it has to be.

in reply to sando_en_shorts
I used KDE for years only recently switched to Niri, what I can say for KDE is I don't have to dicking around config files and nice features that are missing from other WM/DE like ICC profiles and HDR also very easy to customize.
The reason I switch is because KDE getting too good and boring and using Niri reminded me when I use Linux for the first time again (same with switching from Windows to Linux because Windows is boring and barely customizable and cuntpilot)
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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I test KDE each couple of years: install it on my current OS or in VM, trying to change theme/move panel, get a crash shortly after, then delete it. Even "kde neon" that was supposedly polished distro from devs themselves, crashed within couple of minutes in my hands.

Maybe it just my hands, but Gnome never does that.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I started with gnome back when Linux was a very young project. Then they started removing options despite the protests of their users so I moved to kde, which added functionality constantly, much to the delight of their users.

And many years later, here we are.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I used to be a gnome 2 user for a long time. I sometimes tried out KDE but it seemed to unstable so I moved back to gnome.

But the problems started with gnome 3. I had never put much effort into customizing my desktop but I just didn't like the defaults for gnome 3. Even worse some things I didn't were hard to change, some required plug-ins (that sometimes broke) and some just couldn't be fixed at all.

I could use my system but it always felt a bit like I did so begrudgingly. That was when I wasn't using Linux full time. When I finally wanted to ditch windows completely I tried a lot. Different DEs, different distros and so on and I noticed that KDE felt good. I was skeptical but I gave it a real chance and I stayed. It feels good. It's not perfect but I really like it. It is customizable enough but has sensible defaults. It doesn't get in my way and I don't use it begrudgingly.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I use KDE on my desktop, Cinnamon on my laptop. I really dislike the way Gnome looks, but aside from that I'm really dependant on my mouse. Gnome doesn't seem to appreciate that. I also don't like their approach of dumbing things down and forcing their ways on the user.

Back in the day I really liked Unity. It was simple, looked good and optimised the screen like nothing else did at the time. When Ubuntu ditched it, I ditched Ubuntu.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

I’ve stuck to KDE because it’s more customizable and the devs don’t try to actively remove features from updates. Gnome might be a cleaner experience, but I don’t want to have to search for alternatives when my favorite gnome extension gets unexpectedly killed by an update.

KDE appears to be much more stable in that regard in that they’re actively trying (Union) to make themes more resilient over time.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I used plasma for nearly a decade and only recently switched off of it because I wanted to try something different. I moved over to GNOME for a bit, and while it was nice, I kept running into issues with customization, specifically Gnome Extensions are a pain in my ass.

I moved to cosmic a few weeks ago on my desktop rig, which is my server, but is also for gaming. I don't want this one to feel like an "office" machine, and cosmic does a great job of feeling like just a computer. On my laptop, which I use for development, I prefer a stable "no-bullshit" interface, as such I use MATE there. MATE, if you're unfamiliar, is the successor to Gnome2. It is a more traditional desktop experience, using familiar idioms. Customization is limited (out of box) compared to the more major DE's like KDE and GNOME

in reply to sando_en_shorts
Ι stick with KDE Plasma after trying GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon. In GNOME, many settings are not available in GUI (I don't remember which they are now), while they are available in KDE. And back when I used Cinnamon it didn't support Wayland while some of my apps (especially Waydroid) needs Wayland. But I mostly use CLI for daily tasks for automation and easier copy-pasting forum answers, asking LLM, and sharing to GitHub, so I may not be a representative DE user.
in reply to sando_en_shorts

I'll probaby move to Gnome when my hands are too arthritic to operate a mouse and keyboard properly, and I just want to punch big icons and buttons I can barely see anymore. And I'll be too far gone in dementia to customize my desktop anymore, so I won't be able to hurt myself having settings I can mess up. I'll understand where to find apps like "Mail" and "Files" instead of hard names like Thunderbird and Dolphin.

Then Gnome will be fine.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts
in reply to sando_en_shorts

KDE is too inconsistent when it comes to margins and font sizes. I still have it installed on my Desktop PC which ever so often use to see how things are going.

My daily driver (laptop) runs GNOME though. I do not like the slightly too large margins and the flat design (old skeuomorphism icons was peak). It is consistent and despite what everyone says thanks to Extensions customisable enough. Here is my extension list:
- ArcMenu
- Dash to Panel
- Grand theft Focus
- Gtk4 Desktop Icons NG
- Rounded Window Corners Reborn

and of course:
- Activate Linux

It is really cozy and I like it very much. :)

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I wanna say yes, but it really does not make a whole lot of sense.

GNOME is less space efficient which on a smaller display is crucial. It does have better touchscreen support in case your laptop has that (and the bigger margins do come in handy here). But i know it might sound weird but GNOME fits the vibe of a laptop better. No surprise it gets often compared to macOS and KDE being the Windows equivalent. Its just less serious... just as a laptop is. Not that you don't get shit done on there, its just a bit more cozy :)

I have an eye on sinty.dev/ as well though I think there is already a alpha out, but I have done enough distro/de hoping this and last year :)
From what I can tell its GNOME but with less margins. The design is still very libadwaita like which makes modern GNOME apps not look out of place. It is from the same developer that did Vanilla OS and Bottles so this won't be abandoned too quickly. In the age of vibe coded and quickly forgotten garbage you can't be too sure about that.

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in reply to sando_en_shorts

I'm running Plasma at the moment. I actually prefer three look out Gnome and I think I would use it if my home computer was used for anything productive. It's mainly used for gaming though and Gnomes main design doesn't quite flow as well while gaming on a dual screen setup.

It's just easier to be able to see the task bar and all open programs (and sys tray) on my second monitor all the time instead of having to go through a hot cornet or hitting the super button.

Sure, this could be fixed through the use of addons (like Ubuntu has by default for instance) but these tend to break on new versions of Gnome while Plasma just keep working.

My preferred setup while running Gnome was the stock adwaita theme, dag to panel, arc menu and whatever that sys tray addon was called.

If I could have the same look over in Plasma I'd be pretty happy tbh but I haven't really made the effort since it just works the way it is and doesn't look bad doing it either.

in reply to sando_en_shorts

I'm really easily distracted and have things to do when I use my home PC(s). So gnome is really the only thing I can reliably set up and not spend all my time customising. Also, Ubuntu was my first distro (tbh it was Kali Linux but we don't talk about my larp era) and I liked the DE from that.

Its not like I don't customise it mind you, but that's limited to changing the default wallpaper, installing blur my shell and dash to panel, then adding custom icons, usually Tela circle. After that though I don't touch anything in the DE. If I'm on a laptop, I go full Ubuntu and put the dock on the left vertical side of the screen

In comparison I once spent hours customising KDE to look and sound like windows 98, only to realise I didn't like it, to change it to something completely different 3 more times. I did not pass the assignment I was meant to be doing. Its fun but I'll do anything to procrastinate.