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edible_funk

They don't teach that it's literally physically flesh and literally physically blood, it's still wine and a bread cracker thing, it's just that they also now have the spiritual essence and properties of the J-man's divinity. Like, most catholics would be confused that anyone would draw a comparison to say cannibalism, because it's not literal in the physical sense, just the spiritual. Which admittedly probably doesn't make much sense unless you're catholic.

Source: raised in catholic town by catholic family with twelve years of catholic school in which I actually read the bible and the catechism, all of which explain why I'm an atheist. But it's funny seeing all the (admittedly understandable) misconceptions people have about what catholics believe.

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BarneyPiccolo

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of rationalization so they don't have to admit they are participating in ritual cannibalism.

Transubstatiation means that is is NOT symbolic or metaphoric, but that the "essence" is truly the body and blood of Christ, so it really is cannibalism - if you believe in religious magic. I don't, so I don't truly believe it's cannibalism, just a mid-service snack, but devout Catholics do believe in religious magic, so they do believe they are being Cannibals, even if they try to pretend that it's something else.

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Technically it's the whole change of the substance of the Eucharist which is some sneaky wordplay. It's even specifically stated the outward characteristics remain unchanged so it's metaphorical ritualistic cannibalism at most, and even that is a reductive surface level misunderstanding. Any catholic would think you're kinda dumb for thinking the communion is even related to cannibalism. It's not considered actual flesh and blood, it's magic bread and wine that's magically infused with divinity so when you eat and drink it you more or less reswear your allegiance to the J-dog and his socialist ways. Don't get me wrong, it's all still bonkers dumb and logically inconsistent but no catholic theologian will take seriously the claim that it's actual flesh and actual blood.

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You were taught incorrectly then, I grew up catholic as well (also now atheist) and it was made very clear to me that it is not symbolic, it is an actual transformation.
This is directly from the US conference of catholic bishops website:
Is the Eucharist a symbol? The transformed bread and wine are truly the Body and Blood of Christ and are not merely symbols.

I remember very specifically that learning this official belief being one of the things that made me start questioning my religion. Like I can very clearly see that no transformation is happening so, it started making me question everything else they were telling me.

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T. Hex

I was told in Catholic school that if you don't believe in transubstantiation, you're not Catholic. They made it very clear that you're supposed to believe the Eucharist is literally flesh, and the wine is literally blood. That was the day I realized I was definitely not Catholic.
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kreskin

Nothing in catholicism can be taken at face value. Growing up Catholic, you learn to lie and obfuscate, and to work through abstractions of ideas. Anyone considering the literal words in the bible was considered some kind of idiot zealot barbarian. Frankly we looked down on the rest of the christians who were limited to what was written on the paper. Only the priests could translate the text into what we actually truly believed, and thats what they were good for-- telling us what was meant rather than what was actually written.
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But ultimately, the statement being made is addressed to people who do literally believe that it is happening. If you don't believe that, then the statement doesn't apply to you, does it?

Furthermore, if they hold, as a requirement for eating the flesh and drinking the blood, that you must believe in its magic, then they are still people who seem to think that they are regularly practising literal cannibalism.

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Lovable Sidekick

Ok here's a question - if you have bleeding gums and swallow the blood, are you a cannibal? What if somebody gives you a drop of their blood to swallow? If Catholics believe Jesus is immortal, do they think they're being cannibals by drinking a small amount of his blood with his consent (in fact, it's his idea)? In my mind the central question is, does this debate matter any more than an argument about whether Superman could beat up The Hulk? To that last one I'll say no, it doesn't, to me it's all just idle amusement.
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kreskin

ever seen the church of satans 11 commandments? they are gold:
churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules-of-earth/

and the 7 tenets:

  • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
  • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  • One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
  • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
  • Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
  • People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
  • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth - Church of Satan

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth by Anton Szandor LaVey © 1967 Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
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rumba

search out eleven-rules-of-earth

They're not necessarily horrible; a number of them are good advice, some are a little strange

When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.


There's one about magic.

Honestly, the 7 Tenets are so based, I think the entirety of humanity would do well to use them as their default.

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prole

Right. Those have nothing to do with The Satanic Temple.

The Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple are not two sects of the same "religion," they are two completely different (I would say almost entirely incompatible) belief systems.

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But have you tried bacon?


Of course. I loved bacon before going vegan. Well, the umami I got from animal bacon I still get from vegan bacon so 🤷🏻

And even if I didn't, I also saw pigs being put into literal gas chambers and the choice between personal pleasure and not putting intelligent, feeling individuals in death factories was pretty easy.

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Cethin

That's not a contradiction if they aren't related. Is god a species? I don't think so. It's like saying a cat is 100% cat and 100% cute. They're different things. He's not a human-god hybrid. He's a god who also happens to be human (at that time).

(Before people go assuming I'm arguing on the validity of all this, it's stupid. I'm an atheist. The whole thing doesn't really make sense. I'm just correcting a logical mistake.)

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atx_aquarian

I was just thinking about the term "Jeez-Its" this week in the grocery store and giggling like an idiot.

"So how many of those [do] you have to consume before you’ve eaten a whole Jesus?"

Someone On Tumblr Calculated How Much Communion Wafer Makes Up A Whole Jesus And It Will Crack You Up

It's common knowledge that during church services, Christians eat a piece of bread that symbolizes Jesus' body and take a sip of wine which is a symbol of his blood.
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Hoodoir

Christ isn't a demigod in Christianity; He's God incarnate, fully God and fully Human. So we eat God directly. I can't explain how with any precision as I'm not a trained and experienced theologian with the credentials to make the "how" statements, but we do eat God.

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Hoodoir

Anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus is entirely God isn't a Christian. That's not gatekeeping, its like saying someone can reject the prophet Muhammad and still be a Muslim. It just wouldn't be true.\
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I'm an Orthodox Christian, and we definitely eat God every Sunday. The Lutherans also believe they eat God but they define it more like we do than the Roman Catholics do. The Anglicans usually agree with the Catholics on how they eat God. Beyond just the groups named, I'm fairly certain no one else truly eats God's flesh.

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chiliedogg

Unitarians are weird. They don't believe in the trinity, but are Christian, but also merged with a non-Christian sect to form Unitarian Univalersalism.

But also, Catholics and most Protestants have a very different view on the Eucharist. Catholics believe in Transubstantiation, where the bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, whereas many Protestant sects either see the Eucharist as symbolic of the body and blood and Christ's sacrifice, or something in between (Consubstantiation or Calvin's very complicated take).

It also helps explain modern Catholocism's stance that Protestants aren't allowed to take part in the Eucharist. It's not just a remnant of the old adversarial relationship between the sects, but different beliefs on what the sacrament is. They want everyone taking part in the ritual to understand it.

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rumba

Religion has always been a business plan wrapped up in series of brainwashing techniques. Mystery->Answers used to the a commodity. Not religious? Ostracized from society. If you didn't know, you paid in, if you did know, you kept your mouth shut and paid in. It was easier to be that showman back in the day, the only mystery left is existential dread, we're disillusioned with society and government.