I got tired of "customizing" everything and just wanted to get work done. GNOME is the default on many distros, so I learned the intended workflow instead of fighting it. Now I can just install a distro and be productive immediately instead of spending time tweaking things.
I interpreted the question less about kde vs gnome, and more about kde or gnome vs other desktops. Maybe OP intended the former now that I read it again. I used to have heavily personal setups of DWM or CWM back in the day, with lots of small scripts to cover some functionality, but now I just want the "default" because the OS itself stopped being my hobby. Nothing against KDE, I just found GNOME to be more polished out of the box and stayed.
Nothing against KDE, I just found GNOME to be more polished out of the box and stayed.
I see. No problem. Just personal preference. I thought that KDE had unreasonable defaults compared to GNOME or something, hence the question about customising.
I needed a desktop environment with a UI that wasn't intended to be hidden away. Or a desktop that wasn't challenging the way that I intend to work with the computer.
KDE may be boring and it may not challenge any paradigms. But it works well and stays out of the way.
Over the years, I don't think there's many DE's or WM's that I haven't tried to live with on a daily driver, such as KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon, Qtile, XMonad, I3, AwesomeWM, etc etc. What I found over the years was how much I appreciated a clean, simplistic UI for an operating system.
After spending multiple years on 'window manager only' setups (got fed up with updating configs on major updates, and got fed up with the amount of config I had to do), I returned back to KDE mainly for the intense amount of OOTB customisation. However, what I realised after a while was that I was just setting up KDE to look and behave like Gnome.
So 2 years after last using KDE, I'm now just using Gnome all the time. I like the workflow, on laptop personally I think the gesture navigation is better than any other DE, and I love the simplistic design. Plus extensions get me what isn't included OOTB.
Downside to Gnome is when major updates occur and extensions break as a result, other than that I can't think of much bad about Gnome
my favorite setup used to be i3+plasma. basically you could replace kwin with i3 for window management but everything else was standard kde. was one of the easiest setups and configurations I've used with sane defaults. Now I'm curious if it still works with everything moving to Wayland.
I use KDE. I found GNOME annoying and extemely opinionated. I also got turned off by it when I asked a question on mastodon like a year ago about an issue I was having with GNOME and an actual GNOME dev replied to me and essentially said I was using the DE wrong. basically I wasn't using it the way the GNOME devs use it.
GNOME makes it a pain to switch between two applications, unless you have a touchscreen or a keyboard always at the ready. There's a reason why Ubuntu ships with the Dash to Panel extension by default. And besides, the customization in GNOME is effectively non-existent since the migration to Adwaita, anything resembling theming is literally a hack on top. KDE, on the other hand, is more flexible, only problem is that most of the themes rely on a separate Kvantum engine, but otherwise it is certainly possible to customize things to your liking much more so than with GNOME.
Gnome employs Jeremy Bicha as a person convicted of sexual battery of a minor and as far as we know never notified other employees especially at conventions or other employee gatherings.
GNOME doesn't really employ developers, it's mostly unpaid contributors with the occasional contract work. Canonical is the one that employed him - and no longer does.
I don't believe he's around anymore, he probably started using an alias once people "canceled" him. This is the internet after all, you're one pseudonym away from a fresh start.
So he's still active, I guess your witch-hunt will continue then.
GNOME is not a single entity, it's hundreds of developers - it doesn't assign things to people. It looks like he's part of the releng team which gives him some responsibilities. The status quo will likely continue as he hasn't committed any infraction, though some people will refuse to work with him i guess.
How is a credible accusation of a crime not an infraction of the code of conduct? Or would they rather wait until after the verdict to see if he should be removed definitely or not?
Plenty of people have been banned from GNOME, if you feel like he committed an infraction you're more than welcome to report the issue. But i doubt you'll find sympathy just clutching your pearls over his past crimes that have nothing to do with FOSS.
I mean, yeah. I'd rather not run software made by convicted child molesters or people who turn a blind eye to it much the same way i would assume we would also not like to run the lunduke distro. No witch hunt here, can't change the past. What I'm more worried about is Gnome and Debian being cool enough with Bicha to have him be a spokesperson at their events.
Gnome has enough problems as it is, but this feels like throwing gas on the fire for their public image. KDE plasma is fine for me.
I'd rather not run software made by convicted child molesters
I get that sentiment, but what would you want to happen here, should he have just stayed in prison? Should he end up in a ditch somewhere? At some point reintegration into society needs to be happen, and i sure as hell think contributing to FOSS is a good deal better for everyone.
If he'd not been a spokesperson and just another cog in the machine, I don't think anyone would have known who he was. Hell, even without that I don't think anyone would have known who he was if he didn't make a ruckus by vandalizing the xlibre wiki. When you have a past like the one Bicha has, you can't just go throwing stones. Now that it is out there, you can't unring the bell.
KDE just works. The few things I want to change I can. GNOME by default is further away from what I want and you have to get extensions that break with updates to change anything.
I've been running KDE now, almost exclusively, for almost 15 years. KDE works (by default) in a way similar to the way Windows XP worked in the late 90's - late 2000's. It felt familiar enough that I didn't have to try and figure out most things that I wanted to do. The few things that didn't work the way I wanted ( or felt they should) were easy enough to change. XFCE was similar (had a Windows 95-98 feel) but was not as configurable.
Gnome 2, I rather liked as it had a feel similar to Mac OS 8 from way back when I was in school, however I just never got along with Gnome 3. Everything felt... off. I can use it, Just don't care for it. Same for most other DEs.
KDE looks modern, has features I didnt even know I wanted. Whatever I can think of wanting it's either already there or I make a post on the fourm and its there in a month.
When I had an issue with an update removing something that I liked. I made a post and KDE devs added a toggle so I could keep the functionality I had before. Even though it was a minor thing they could have told me not to worry.
I think there's not too many technical reasons to choose one or the other lol, just look up a couple of videos on Youtube and that might be enough for you to decide for yourself
There's plenty of technical reasons. For instance, KDE implements the Wayland extension that allows for global push-to-talk in voice chat applications, while gnome doesn't.
KDE. I have a specific way I want to work and use my window manager and desktop. KDE allows me to do that OOTB, GNOME doesn't. The other DEs might by their configuration is by opening a file and guessing the options, so I stay away.
I like KDE because it is super customisable out of the box, and I personally prefer the more contrasty, colourful look of KDE over the more minimal and padded GNOME.
However, if you like GNOME, that's perfectly fine! With GNOME Extensions, you can also customise a lot, far more than Windows or MacOS lets you without sketchy third-party tools. And of course, Cinnamon, XFCE, Cosmic, etc. are all great too.
First, I haven't used gnome in probably 15 years, so I can't give a fair comparison, but I've grown with kde over the last 3.
My opinion is that it's always worked for me, and is decently customizable. I couldn't use Wayland for the first 4+ months due to conflicts with my Nvidia card, but kde 6 (I think 6) fixed all of my issues.
On new Linux serious, I don't install the full kde suite, because I have other apps I prefer like alacrity instead on konsole. This keeps it lighter but with all of the other DE controls.
Also, I've not heard a bad thing of the kde dev team, but I have about gnome. I can't cite specifics, but I know I've read some bad stuff.
You can always install both DEs and try both out and determine which is best for you.
I like Gnome because it doesn't have a Desktop that I can crowd with Icons and random files. The few times I tried KDE I just didn't really jive with it because the text and icons were super small by default and the whole handling was just..idk, too click-y? Yeah, it can all be adjusted and stuff, but default Gnome is just closer to my preferences than default KDE.
A couple of years ago, I used both of them briefly and GNOME simply provided the more polished experience back then.
In time, I came to dislike the look/design of KDE apps.
So when the time came I wanted to ditch GNOME because I was sick of its extensions ecosystem, I didn't even consider KDE Plasma. Instead, I tried out Sway and eventually settled on COSMIC.
Gnome lost a lot of functions when streamlining, just compare Dolphin to Nautilus, and instead of fighting their vision I went for a DE that works the way I want. I love information density and easily get hooked on spreadsheet games, I feel as if that is the exact opposite of the Gnome vision.
edit: I prefer Gnome for touch only devices like Microsoft Surface Pro 7 without physical kbm.
Gnome 2 was the default when I switched. I stay mostly because of familiarity and inertia. There has to be a really good reason to switch. Maybe soon. KDE implemented workspaces-per-screen. That could be a killer feature that would get me to switch. I loved that when I was running AwesomeWM.
Gnome always felt too basic and minimalist. KDE feels powerful and like I can do anything I want. On KDE I don't ask myself "can i do this?", I ask myself "how do I do this?"
When I got back to Linux some years back, I tried using GNOME because I had had good experiences with GNOME 2. Modern GNOME is awful, terribly opinionated and - in my view - has actual usability issues. Every interaction with the DE felt like pulling teeth and I didn't enjoy it one bit. GNOME Classic was better, but even that never felt quite right. At the time I wanted to use Wayland and therefore had limited options, so for the first time ever I tried Plasma, and I immediately found it to my liking. With only a few small cosmetic tweaks it felt like home. Things made sense to me and everything was where it should be - more or less; nothing's perfect. Since then I've looked at other options, but Plasma usually has one feature or another that alternative desktops lack or struggle with. So for now I'm sticking with Plasma, and I have no real reason to look elsewhere.
To be sure, I don't hate on anyone who prefers GNOME, it's just not my cup of tea. Not by a long shot. Use what works for your use case.
Mostly for the shallow reason of the fact that out of the box KDE looks good enough and since it's big enough I can easily find a theme I like alongside things like cursors and icon sets that just look good. All without the headache of having to make my own sets. I like aesthetics moreso than I should sometimes.
I also like having a fair bit of settings to tweak and don't know if any other DE has integrated a "jiggle the mouse to make the pointer bigger" feature yet. That feature is absolutely something I love, as someone who occasionally loses his cursor.
Typically I'll stick with Plasma till they bork it, then switch to GNOME til I get bored and see what's up with Plasma these days. I'll sometimes try some others out, but typically it's those two.
I like gnome, but, switched back to kde because the extensions I needed broke last fedora update.
I love cosmic, but the keyboard focus doesn't always follow into the correct tab, which was also a deal breaker
The only real issue I have with kde, is Google drive integration isn't baked in at the moment. But, I just use the website, and there were plenty of other solutions I could use too
I've used both pretty extensively (years daily driving each) but these days I just use stock KDE, with maybe a couple little adjustments to the taskbar. I like both. I can adapt to different desktop workflows, GNOME's is good, but I found myself always using plugins to make it work more like a windows desktop. I generally like the KDE suite of default applications a lot more than GNOME's, like Dolphin is just a better file manager than nautilus. And if I'm going to use KDE applications and a windows-styled desktop layout, at that point I might as well just use KDE.
I tried Gnome a few times, last time maybe 3 years ago, but it just is not the right environment for me. It feels strange and everything is so complicated (most likely because I'm not used to it) and it is so limited when it comes to features and customization.
My first graphic OS was GEOS on the C64 back then, followed by Amiga Workbench, then different flavours of Windows. Using Linux with KDE just feels natural, it has the same usage paradigms and flows as all the OS/Environments I used before.
I had to use MacOSX for some time at work and I had the same issues with it that I had with Gnome, everything was a fight, nothing felt right or was at the place where it has to be.
I used KDE for years only recently switched to Niri, what I can say for KDE is I don't have to dicking around config files and nice features that are missing from other WM/DE like ICC profiles and HDR also very easy to customize. The reason I switch is because KDE getting too good and boring and using Niri reminded me when I use Linux for the first time again (same with switching from Windows to Linux because Windows is boring and barely customizable and cuntpilot)
Gnome. I am often tempted to switch to kde because it is often ahead in terms of adopting new technologies, but gnome is just more comfortable to use. And I was not able to customize kde to have gnome-like workflow.
I test KDE each couple of years: install it on my current OS or in VM, trying to change theme/move panel, get a crash shortly after, then delete it. Even "kde neon" that was supposedly polished distro from devs themselves, crashed within couple of minutes in my hands.
Maybe it just my hands, but Gnome never does that.
I'm sticking with KDE because I like to have some say in how my computer behaves, like I prefer to have a sidepanel with useful things and not top panel with calendar. I also like to have window buttons like minimize, maximize, close, pin, etc.
Most people have. The specific bike/car subculture isn't really a thing any more so the term is gone too. It's only still hanging on in older gentoo users.
My bad (seriously). What's the slang now to "spend ~~hours~~ years fiddling with a zillion parameters so my desktop is exactly like I want it for the next 5 minutes"?
It's not a you problem, it's just a bit of casual racism that slipped through the cracks; insidious because most people don't even realize it's a problem.
We called it theming before that other term got popular, I never saw a reason to stop.
I started with gnome back when Linux was a very young project. Then they started removing options despite the protests of their users so I moved to kde, which added functionality constantly, much to the delight of their users.
I used to be a gnome 2 user for a long time. I sometimes tried out KDE but it seemed to unstable so I moved back to gnome.
But the problems started with gnome 3. I had never put much effort into customizing my desktop but I just didn't like the defaults for gnome 3. Even worse some things I didn't were hard to change, some required plug-ins (that sometimes broke) and some just couldn't be fixed at all.
I could use my system but it always felt a bit like I did so begrudgingly. That was when I wasn't using Linux full time. When I finally wanted to ditch windows completely I tried a lot. Different DEs, different distros and so on and I noticed that KDE felt good. I was skeptical but I gave it a real chance and I stayed. It feels good. It's not perfect but I really like it. It is customizable enough but has sensible defaults. It doesn't get in my way and I don't use it begrudgingly.
I use KDE on my desktop, Cinnamon on my laptop. I really dislike the way Gnome looks, but aside from that I'm really dependant on my mouse. Gnome doesn't seem to appreciate that. I also don't like their approach of dumbing things down and forcing their ways on the user.
Back in the day I really liked Unity. It was simple, looked good and optimised the screen like nothing else did at the time. When Ubuntu ditched it, I ditched Ubuntu.
I’ve stuck to KDE because it’s more customizable and the devs don’t try to actively remove features from updates. Gnome might be a cleaner experience, but I don’t want to have to search for alternatives when my favorite gnome extension gets unexpectedly killed by an update.
KDE appears to be much more stable in that regard in that they’re actively trying (Union) to make themes more resilient over time.
Gnome has consistently moved away from a desktop experience and towards one that is geared towards touch screens. Which is fair enough, I suppose. But it's not what I want. I don't want bigger, more colorful icons that are more friendly to a touch screen. I don't want drag gestures to do everything in my laptop...that's what my tablet is for. By trying to make something that works for both, they don't excel at either one and just end up making a mid-version of either experience.
Its design is trying to make things "easy" for people by taking away their choice, which I fundamentally disagree with. To me, making things easier is about making sane defaults that people don't need to change, but leaving those options for when the user gets more familiar. Taking out the ability entirely is dystopian windows level "you do what we tell you and you'll like it" levels of glazing.
This is minor, but the fact that I need to have Firefox in order to do anything of any substance in terms of what little customization there is on Gnome just bothers me. Why d
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Gnome has consistently moved away from a desktop experience and towards one that is geared towards touch screens. Which is fair enough, I suppose. But it's not what I want. I don't want bigger, more colorful icons that are more friendly to a touch screen. I don't want drag gestures to do everything in my laptop...that's what my tablet is for. By trying to make something that works for both, they don't excel at either one and just end up making a mid-version of either experience.
Its design is trying to make things "easy" for people by taking away their choice, which I fundamentally disagree with. To me, making things easier is about making sane defaults that people don't need to change, but leaving those options for when the user gets more familiar. Taking out the ability entirely is dystopian windows level "you do what we tell you and you'll like it" levels of glazing.
This is minor, but the fact that I need to have Firefox in order to do anything of any substance in terms of what little customization there is on Gnome just bothers me. Why does your desktop still rely on another project in order to achieve full functionality?
I used plasma for nearly a decade and only recently switched off of it because I wanted to try something different. I moved over to GNOME for a bit, and while it was nice, I kept running into issues with customization, specifically Gnome Extensions are a pain in my ass.
I moved to cosmic a few weeks ago on my desktop rig, which is my server, but is also for gaming. I don't want this one to feel like an "office" machine, and cosmic does a great job of feeling like just a computer. On my laptop, which I use for development, I prefer a stable "no-bullshit" interface, as such I use MATE there. MATE, if you're unfamiliar, is the successor to Gnome2. It is a more traditional desktop experience, using familiar idioms. Customization is limited (out of box) compared to the more major DE's like KDE and GNOME
Ι stick with KDE Plasma after trying GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon. In GNOME, many settings are not available in GUI (I don't remember which they are now), while they are available in KDE. And back when I used Cinnamon it didn't support Wayland while some of my apps (especially Waydroid) needs Wayland. But I mostly use CLI for daily tasks for automation and easier copy-pasting forum answers, asking LLM, and sharing to GitHub, so I may not be a representative DE user.
I use both on different computers: Gnome has auto-rotation out of the box so it goes into the tablet. KDE has betterextensions and wobbly windows so I can make it ~~cursed~~ whimsical enough to my liking
I switch back and forth based on which one has the smallest number of annoying bugs. Right now, I'm on KDE because they finally fixed a long-standing refresh rate bug, and because gnome has serious trouble keeping the mouse clamped to the right screen in UE5 games without the assistance of gamescope
I'll probaby move to Gnome when my hands are too arthritic to operate a mouse and keyboard properly, and I just want to punch big icons and buttons I can barely see anymore. And I'll be too far gone in dementia to customize my desktop anymore, so I won't be able to hurt myself having settings I can mess up. I'll understand where to find apps like "Mail" and "Files" instead of hard names like Thunderbird and Dolphin.
i use gnome for my laptops bc they have touch screens and pen input and shit. i use kde for proper desktop bc it isn’t trying to do stuff i don’t need it to.
I used GNOME for work and it was interesting. There are pros and cons, but generally I prefer KDE A LOT and basically made GNOME look like some form of KDE.
GNOME seems to be significantly more stable but also has significantly less features. Both are very important and sadly the stability doesnt seem to have changed much. I still have the panel disappearing after some time etc. KDE got way better here and they want to invest into their CI a lot including memory leak tests. We can also expect improvements due to the funding they get for their 6.6 LTS version (funded by Kubuntu Focus).
GNOME has extensions which can do a lot but have basically no guarantees to be secure or verified or anything, which is very problematic also for security. On GNOME you rely on those even for simple things like a clipboard manager or blur.
I like some GNOME apps, but generally they are just so much worse than KDE apps. They have no up-to-date terminal that has features, like wtf? Their text editor is too simple and they dont have a simple IDE like Kate, theirs is too much "project f
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I used GNOME for work and it was interesting. There are pros and cons, but generally I prefer KDE A LOT and basically made GNOME look like some form of KDE.
GNOME seems to be significantly more stable but also has significantly less features. Both are very important and sadly the stability doesnt seem to have changed much. I still have the panel disappearing after some time etc. KDE got way better here and they want to invest into their CI a lot including memory leak tests. We can also expect improvements due to the funding they get for their 6.6 LTS version (funded by Kubuntu Focus).
GNOME has extensions which can do a lot but have basically no guarantees to be secure or verified or anything, which is very problematic also for security. On GNOME you rely on those even for simple things like a clipboard manager or blur.
I like some GNOME apps, but generally they are just so much worse than KDE apps. They have no up-to-date terminal that has features, like wtf? Their text editor is too simple and they dont have a simple IDE like Kate, theirs is too much "project focused". They dont have a simple image editor, at all. Or a QR code generator, or KDE Connect, or GUI settings for half the things etc.
KDE is too inconsistent when it comes to margins and font sizes. I still have it installed on my Desktop PC which ever so often use to see how things are going.
My daily driver (laptop) runs GNOME though. I do not like the slightly too large margins and the flat design (old skeuomorphism icons was peak). It is consistent and despite what everyone says thanks to Extensions customisable enough. Here is my extension list: - ArcMenu - Dash to Panel - Grand theft Focus - Gtk4 Desktop Icons NG - Rounded Window Corners Reborn
I wanna say yes, but it really does not make a whole lot of sense.
GNOME is less space efficient which on a smaller display is crucial. It does have better touchscreen support in case your laptop has that (and the bigger margins do come in handy here). But i know it might sound weird but GNOME fits the vibe of a laptop better. No surprise it gets often compared to macOS and KDE being the Windows equivalent. Its just less serious... just as a laptop is. Not that you don't get shit done on there, its just a bit more cozy :)
I have an eye on sinty.dev/ as well though I think there is already a alpha out, but I have done enough distro/de hoping this and last year :) From what I can tell its GNOME but with less margins. The design is still very libadwaita like which makes modern GNOME apps not look out of place. It is from the same developer that did Vanilla OS and Bottles so this won't be abandoned too quickly. In the age of vibe coded and quickly forgotten garbage you can't be too sure about that.
I don't think it makes a noticable difference. On laptops I prefer a scrolling or tiling window manager (Niri and Sway come to mind), but KDE and GNOME both work fine as well. Might be useful to optimize some keybinds to make your flow more keyboard-centric.
Before: - Gnome 2 was great - Gnome 3 was terrible - KDE 4 was terrible
Today: KDE.
Why not Gnome:
It's missing basic features.
General new users startup is:
searching online to try and fix things
50% chance of it working.
50% chance of it not working because the fix doesn't work on your version of gnome and having to find another fix
Common recommendation for missing features (to use extensions) is a non-starter since the extensions break after every update, so every update you need to go back through the general new users startup steps above.
Why KDE:
It has all the basic features by default, and a bunch of extra stuff.
General new user process is:
looking through settings and changing the 2-3 they care about
looking through features, trying them out to see which ones you want to use, turning on/off the 2-3 you care about
Never needing to look through or remember the other settings, because your computer is already set up for y
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Before: - Gnome 2 was great - Gnome 3 was terrible - KDE 4 was terrible
Today: KDE.
Why not Gnome:
It's missing basic features.
General new users startup is:
searching online to try and fix things
50% chance of it working.
50% chance of it not working because the fix doesn't work on your version of gnome and having to find another fix
Common recommendation for missing features (to use extensions) is a non-starter since the extensions break after every update, so every update you need to go back through the general new users startup steps above.
Why KDE:
It has all the basic features by default, and a bunch of extra stuff.
General new user process is:
looking through settings and changing the 2-3 they care about
looking through features, trying them out to see which ones you want to use, turning on/off the 2-3 you care about
Never needing to look through or remember the other settings, because your computer is already set up for you.
Future: - Gnome: more of the same, likely basic features missing until specific people are removed (could be 5-10 years, then another few years of catching up). - KDE: Will continue consolidating features where it makes sense. - Cosmic: Will continue sanding off rough edges and fill in last remaining missing features. Will probably surpass Gnome for 90% of users in a year. Will probably be trading blows with KDE in 3 years and will surpass them if KDE ever makes any missteps.
I'm running Plasma at the moment. I actually prefer three look out Gnome and I think I would use it if my home computer was used for anything productive. It's mainly used for gaming though and Gnomes main design doesn't quite flow as well while gaming on a dual screen setup.
It's just easier to be able to see the task bar and all open programs (and sys tray) on my second monitor all the time instead of having to go through a hot cornet or hitting the super button.
Sure, this could be fixed through the use of addons (like Ubuntu has by default for instance) but these tend to break on new versions of Gnome while Plasma just keep working.
My preferred setup while running Gnome was the stock adwaita theme, dag to panel, arc menu and whatever that sys tray addon was called.
If I could have the same look over in Plasma I'd be pretty happy tbh but I haven't really made the effort since it just works the way it is and doesn't look bad doing it either.
I found KDE to be cleaner, they work extremely hard on making GTK apps look like native Qt apps for example. Or how tray Icons (which need a plug in on Gnome) look and behave. On KDE they feel native, Gnomes plugins make them look foreign.
So weirdly enough KDE is imho the cleaner of the two.
Gnome with paperwm - infinite tiled scrolling has been my goto on the laptop for a while. Its infuriating to use with a mouse, so when i plug i switch to kde.
I'm really easily distracted and have things to do when I use my home PC(s). So gnome is really the only thing I can reliably set up and not spend all my time customising. Also, Ubuntu was my first distro (tbh it was Kali Linux but we don't talk about my larp era) and I liked the DE from that.
Its not like I don't customise it mind you, but that's limited to changing the default wallpaper, installing blur my shell and dash to panel, then adding custom icons, usually Tela circle. After that though I don't touch anything in the DE. If I'm on a laptop, I go full Ubuntu and put the dock on the left vertical side of the screen
In comparison I once spent hours customising KDE to look and sound like windows 98, only to realise I didn't like it, to change it to something completely different 3 more times. I did not pass the assignment I was meant to be doing. Its fun but I'll do anything to procrastinate.
pmk
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in reply to pmk • • •KDE doesn't need customizing. My parents use KDE and have never opened the settings dialog. They are productive.
Why do you think it needs customizing?
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in reply to pmk • • •I see. No problem. Just personal preference. I thought that KDE had unreasonable defaults compared to GNOME or something, hence the question about customising.
Christopher
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I needed a desktop environment with a UI that wasn't intended to be hidden away. Or a desktop that wasn't challenging the way that I intend to work with the computer.
KDE may be boring and it may not challenge any paradigms. But it works well and stays out of the way.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Over the years, I don't think there's many DE's or WM's that I haven't tried to live with on a daily driver, such as KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon, Qtile, XMonad, I3, AwesomeWM, etc etc. What I found over the years was how much I appreciated a clean, simplistic UI for an operating system.
After spending multiple years on 'window manager only' setups (got fed up with updating configs on major updates, and got fed up with the amount of config I had to do), I returned back to KDE mainly for the intense amount of OOTB customisation. However, what I realised after a while was that I was just setting up KDE to look and behave like Gnome.
So 2 years after last using KDE, I'm now just using Gnome all the time. I like the workflow, on laptop personally I think the gesture navigation is better than any other DE, and I love the simplistic design. Plus extensions get me what isn't included OOTB.
Downside to Gnome is when major updates occur and extensions break as a result, other than that I can't think of much bad about Gnome
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in reply to Carlos Solís • • •``... unless you have a touchscreen or a keyboard always at the ready.''
Why wouldn't you have one of these things? What's your use-case?
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Gnome. Sublime flow, very polished. Simply works.
KDE can be OK but it is very overloaded on customization, not nearly as polished, and honestly I dislike that style it upholds. IMHO.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Gnome employs Jeremy Bicha as a person convicted of sexual battery of a minor and as far as we know never notified other employees especially at conventions or other employee gatherings.
I'll stick with KDE
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in reply to Carlos Solís • • •This is just a cursory search. Debian says he's still involved as of April this year, Gnome has him assigned to something as of last week.
contributors.debian.org/contributor/jbicha/
gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Releng/AppOrganization/-/work_items/43
Consider removing Boxes from core-developer-tools (#43) · Issues · Teams / Releng / App Organization · GitLab
GitLabimecth
in reply to sorghum • • •So he's still active, I guess your witch-hunt will continue then.
GNOME is not a single entity, it's hundreds of developers - it doesn't assign things to people. It looks like he's part of the releng team which gives him some responsibilities. The status quo will likely continue as he hasn't committed any infraction, though some people will refuse to work with him i guess.
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in reply to imecth • • •I mean, yeah. I'd rather not run software made by convicted child molesters or people who turn a blind eye to it much the same way i would assume we would also not like to run the lunduke distro. No witch hunt here, can't change the past. What I'm more worried about is Gnome and Debian being cool enough with Bicha to have him be a spokesperson at their events.
Gnome has enough problems as it is, but this feels like throwing gas on the fire for their public image. KDE plasma is fine for me.
imecth
in reply to sorghum • • •I get that sentiment, but what would you want to happen here, should he have just stayed in prison? Should he end up in a ditch somewhere? At some point reintegration into society needs to be happen, and i sure as hell think contributing to FOSS is a good deal better for everyone.
sorghum
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •realbadat
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •The opinions of Gnome are not a match for mine.
KDE let's me get really specific on the things I want to, and its well supported.
Just that simple for me!
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StrawberryPigtails
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I've been running KDE now, almost exclusively, for almost 15 years. KDE works (by default) in a way similar to the way Windows XP worked in the late 90's - late 2000's. It felt familiar enough that I didn't have to try and figure out most things that I wanted to do. The few things that didn't work the way I wanted ( or felt they should) were easy enough to change. XFCE was similar (had a Windows 95-98 feel) but was not as configurable.
Gnome 2, I rather liked as it had a feel similar to Mac OS 8 from way back when I was in school, however I just never got along with Gnome 3. Everything felt... off. I can use it, Just don't care for it. Same for most other DEs.
Fizz
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •KDE looks modern, has features I didnt even know I wanted. Whatever I can think of wanting it's either already there or I make a post on the fourm and its there in a month.
When I had an issue with an update removing something that I liked. I made a post and KDE devs added a toggle so I could keep the functionality I had before. Even though it was a minor thing they could have told me not to worry.
Die4Ever
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I think there's not too many technical reasons to choose one or the other lol, just look up a couple of videos on Youtube and that might be enough for you to decide for yourself
or use distrosea.com/
EDIT: damn I guess this comment was controversial for some reason lol
Test Linux distros online - DistroSea
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Die4Ever
in reply to PabloSexcrowbar • • •Yeah but they're all pretty niche reasons
I guess push to talk is a pretty decent one, but my headset has it's own mute button so I never use push to talk
SinTan1729
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in reply to SinTan1729 • • •SinTan1729
in reply to JackbyDev • • •Yes, my sister uses Gnome, and I'm basically her IT support. I just don't see any reason for switching. It's too limiting for me.
I also used it for a month or two on my own machine before I switched back.
Pfeffy
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I like KDE because it is super customisable out of the box, and I personally prefer the more contrasty, colourful look of KDE over the more minimal and padded GNOME.
However, if you like GNOME, that's perfectly fine! With GNOME Extensions, you can also customise a lot, far more than Windows or MacOS lets you without sketchy third-party tools. And of course, Cinnamon, XFCE, Cosmic, etc. are all great too.
BassTurd
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •First, I haven't used gnome in probably 15 years, so I can't give a fair comparison, but I've grown with kde over the last 3.
My opinion is that it's always worked for me, and is decently customizable. I couldn't use Wayland for the first 4+ months due to conflicts with my Nvidia card, but kde 6 (I think 6) fixed all of my issues.
On new Linux serious, I don't install the full kde suite, because I have other apps I prefer like alacrity instead on konsole. This keeps it lighter but with all of the other DE controls.
Also, I've not heard a bad thing of the kde dev team, but I have about gnome. I can't cite specifics, but I know I've read some bad stuff.
You can always install both DEs and try both out and determine which is best for you.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •A couple of years ago, I used both of them briefly and GNOME simply provided the more polished experience back then.
In time, I came to dislike the look/design of KDE apps.
So when the time came I wanted to ditch GNOME because I was sick of its extensions ecosystem, I didn't even consider KDE Plasma. Instead, I tried out Sway and eventually settled on COSMIC.
starman2112
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Gnome lost a lot of functions when streamlining, just compare Dolphin to Nautilus, and instead of fighting their vision I went for a DE that works the way I want.
I love information density and easily get hooked on spreadsheet games, I feel as if that is the exact opposite of the Gnome vision.
edit: I prefer Gnome for touch only devices like Microsoft Surface Pro 7 without physical kbm.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •GNOME expects the user to adapt to the workflow its developers have in mind. The desktop environment should adapt to me, not the other way around.
Plus, I love customization and themes. But GTK app developers create angry websites where they try to shame me for it.
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banazir
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •When I got back to Linux some years back, I tried using GNOME because I had had good experiences with GNOME 2. Modern GNOME is awful, terribly opinionated and - in my view - has actual usability issues. Every interaction with the DE felt like pulling teeth and I didn't enjoy it one bit. GNOME Classic was better, but even that never felt quite right. At the time I wanted to use Wayland and therefore had limited options, so for the first time ever I tried Plasma, and I immediately found it to my liking. With only a few small cosmetic tweaks it felt like home. Things made sense to me and everything was where it should be - more or less; nothing's perfect. Since then I've looked at other options, but Plasma usually has one feature or another that alternative desktops lack or struggle with. So for now I'm sticking with Plasma, and I have no real reason to look elsewhere.
To be sure, I don't hate on anyone who prefers GNOME, it's just not my cup of tea. Not by a long shot. Use what works for your use case.
What is GNOME Classic?
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in reply to banazir • • •i am 100% with you!
Gnome 2... amazing for usability and customisability, and it came with sane defaults.
Gnome 3, weird change of how gnome works and feels, you cannot really customize the way you want, and it is more resource heavy.
which is why i am using MATE nowadays
hirihit640
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •AceFuzzLord
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Mostly for the shallow reason of the fact that out of the box KDE looks good enough and since it's big enough I can easily find a theme I like alongside things like cursors and icon sets that just look good. All without the headache of having to make my own sets. I like aesthetics moreso than I should sometimes.
I also like having a fair bit of settings to tweak and don't know if any other DE has integrated a "jiggle the mouse to make the pointer bigger" feature yet. That feature is absolutely something I love, as someone who occasionally loses his cursor.
ShutUpWesley
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •vrighter
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •One adapts to me.
The other requires me to adapt to it.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I like gnome, but, switched back to kde because the extensions I needed broke last fedora update.
I love cosmic, but the keyboard focus doesn't always follow into the correct tab, which was also a deal breaker
The only real issue I have with kde, is Google drive integration isn't baked in at the moment. But, I just use the website, and there were plenty of other solutions I could use too
Gabadabs
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I can adapt to different desktop workflows, GNOME's is good, but I found myself always using plugins to make it work more like a windows desktop.
I generally like the KDE suite of default applications a lot more than GNOME's, like Dolphin is just a better file manager than nautilus. And if I'm going to use KDE applications and a windows-styled desktop layout, at that point I might as well just use KDE.
Magiilaro
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I tried Gnome a few times, last time maybe 3 years ago, but it just is not the right environment for me. It feels strange and everything is so complicated (most likely because I'm not used to it) and it is so limited when it comes to features and customization.
My first graphic OS was GEOS on the C64 back then, followed by Amiga Workbench, then different flavours of Windows. Using Linux with KDE just feels natural, it has the same usage paradigms and flows as all the OS/Environments I used before.
I had to use MacOSX for some time at work and I had the same issues with it that I had with Gnome, everything was a fight, nothing felt right or was at the place where it has to be.
DrunkenDuckling
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •The reason I switch is because KDE getting too good and boring and using Niri reminded me when I use Linux for the first time again (same with switching from Windows to Linux because Windows is boring and barely customizable and cuntpilot)
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I test KDE each couple of years: install it on my current OS or in VM, trying to change theme/move panel, get a crash shortly after, then delete it. Even "kde neon" that was supposedly polished distro from devs themselves, crashed within couple of minutes in my hands.
Maybe it just my hands, but Gnome never does that.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •ReallyZen
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Tuning / ricing is overrated. I used to spend ~~hours~~ years ricing my desktop. Screw that, gnome it is: simple, elegant, functional.
I do add 2 very useful plugins tho: Wobbly Windows and the Spinning Cube. Shows my age I guess.
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in reply to ReallyZen • • •It's not a you problem, it's just a bit of casual racism that slipped through the cracks; insidious because most people don't even realize it's a problem.
We called it theming before that other term got popular, I never saw a reason to stop.
comrademiao
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Gnome feels like Linux to me, I don't want discount Windows, I could just use Windows.
I don't need or want to customize every little detail, I have a life.
Testing out KDE broke a lot of video and mouse inputs, don't find it worth trying to fix just to test.
Naming everything with K is dumb as hell.
AnUnusualRelic
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I started with gnome back when Linux was a very young project. Then they started removing options despite the protests of their users so I moved to kde, which added functionality constantly, much to the delight of their users.
And many years later, here we are.
chris
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I used to be a gnome 2 user for a long time. I sometimes tried out KDE but it seemed to unstable so I moved back to gnome.
But the problems started with gnome 3. I had never put much effort into customizing my desktop but I just didn't like the defaults for gnome 3. Even worse some things I didn't were hard to change, some required plug-ins (that sometimes broke) and some just couldn't be fixed at all.
I could use my system but it always felt a bit like I did so begrudgingly. That was when I wasn't using Linux full time. When I finally wanted to ditch windows completely I tried a lot. Different DEs, different distros and so on and I noticed that KDE felt good. I was skeptical but I gave it a real chance and I stayed. It feels good. It's not perfect but I really like it. It is customizable enough but has sensible defaults. It doesn't get in my way and I don't use it begrudgingly.
Thymos
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I use KDE on my desktop, Cinnamon on my laptop. I really dislike the way Gnome looks, but aside from that I'm really dependant on my mouse. Gnome doesn't seem to appreciate that. I also don't like their approach of dumbing things down and forcing their ways on the user.
Back in the day I really liked Unity. It was simple, looked good and optimised the screen like nothing else did at the time. When Ubuntu ditched it, I ditched Ubuntu.
Horsey
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I’ve stuck to KDE because it’s more customizable and the devs don’t try to actively remove features from updates. Gnome might be a cleaner experience, but I don’t want to have to search for alternatives when my favorite gnome extension gets unexpectedly killed by an update.
KDE appears to be much more stable in that regard in that they’re actively trying (Union) to make themes more resilient over time.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •- Gnome has consistently moved away from a desktop experience and towards one that is geared towards touch screens. Which is fair enough, I suppose. But it's not what I want. I don't want bigger, more colorful icons that are more friendly to a touch screen. I don't want drag gestures to do everything in my laptop...that's what my tablet is for. By trying to make something that works for both, they don't excel at either one and just end up making a mid-version of either experience.
- Its design is trying to make things "easy" for people by taking away their choice, which I fundamentally disagree with. To me, making things easier is about making sane defaults that people don't need to change, but leaving those options for when the user gets more familiar. Taking out the ability entirely is dystopian windows level "you do what we tell you and you'll like it" levels of glazing.
- This is minor, but the fact that I need to have Firefox in order to do anything of any substance in terms of what little customization there is on Gnome just bothers me. Why d
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I used plasma for nearly a decade and only recently switched off of it because I wanted to try something different. I moved over to GNOME for a bit, and while it was nice, I kept running into issues with customization, specifically Gnome Extensions are a pain in my ass.
I moved to cosmic a few weeks ago on my desktop rig, which is my server, but is also for gaming. I don't want this one to feel like an "office" machine, and cosmic does a great job of feeling like just a computer. On my laptop, which I use for development, I prefer a stable "no-bullshit" interface, as such I use MATE there. MATE, if you're unfamiliar, is the successor to Gnome2. It is a more traditional desktop experience, using familiar idioms. Customization is limited (out of box) compared to the more major DE's like KDE and GNOME
Willie169
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Gnome has auto-rotation out of the box so it goes into the tablet.
KDE has better extensions and wobbly windows so I can make it ~~cursed~~ whimsical enough to my liking
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I'll probaby move to Gnome when my hands are too arthritic to operate a mouse and keyboard properly, and I just want to punch big icons and buttons I can barely see anymore. And I'll be too far gone in dementia to customize my desktop anymore, so I won't be able to hurt myself having settings I can mess up. I'll understand where to find apps like "Mail" and "Files" instead of hard names like Thunderbird and Dolphin.
Then Gnome will be fine.
Alavi
in reply to ikidd • • •Hey, use a tiling wm like sway/i3 to prevent getting arthritic.
I'm actually writing a blog post about how to be more healthy and prevent things like arthritis using a good software setup.
yuri
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •exdor
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I used GNOME for work and it was interesting. There are pros and cons, but generally I prefer KDE A LOT and basically made GNOME look like some form of KDE.
GNOME seems to be significantly more stable but also has significantly less features. Both are very important and sadly the stability doesnt seem to have changed much. I still have the panel disappearing after some time etc. KDE got way better here and they want to invest into their CI a lot including memory leak tests. We can also expect improvements due to the funding they get for their 6.6 LTS version (funded by Kubuntu Focus).
GNOME has extensions which can do a lot but have basically no guarantees to be secure or verified or anything, which is very problematic also for security. On GNOME you rely on those even for simple things like a clipboard manager or blur.
I like some GNOME apps, but generally they are just so much worse than KDE apps. They have no up-to-date terminal that has features, like wtf? Their text editor is too simple and they dont have a simple IDE like Kate, theirs is too much "project f
... Mostrar másI used GNOME for work and it was interesting. There are pros and cons, but generally I prefer KDE A LOT and basically made GNOME look like some form of KDE.
GNOME seems to be significantly more stable but also has significantly less features. Both are very important and sadly the stability doesnt seem to have changed much. I still have the panel disappearing after some time etc. KDE got way better here and they want to invest into their CI a lot including memory leak tests. We can also expect improvements due to the funding they get for their 6.6 LTS version (funded by Kubuntu Focus).
GNOME has extensions which can do a lot but have basically no guarantees to be secure or verified or anything, which is very problematic also for security. On GNOME you rely on those even for simple things like a clipboard manager or blur.
I like some GNOME apps, but generally they are just so much worse than KDE apps. They have no up-to-date terminal that has features, like wtf? Their text editor is too simple and they dont have a simple IDE like Kate, theirs is too much "project focused". They dont have a simple image editor, at all. Or a QR code generator, or KDE Connect, or GUI settings for half the things etc.
Vogi
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •KDE is too inconsistent when it comes to margins and font sizes. I still have it installed on my Desktop PC which ever so often use to see how things are going.
My daily driver (laptop) runs GNOME though. I do not like the slightly too large margins and the flat design (old skeuomorphism icons was peak). It is consistent and despite what everyone says thanks to Extensions customisable enough. Here is my extension list:
- ArcMenu
- Dash to Panel
- Grand theft Focus
- Gtk4 Desktop Icons NG
- Rounded Window Corners Reborn
and of course:
- Activate Linux
It is really cozy and I like it very much. :)
sando_en_shorts
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I wanna say yes, but it really does not make a whole lot of sense.
GNOME is less space efficient which on a smaller display is crucial. It does have better touchscreen support in case your laptop has that (and the bigger margins do come in handy here). But i know it might sound weird but GNOME fits the vibe of a laptop better. No surprise it gets often compared to macOS and KDE being the Windows equivalent. Its just less serious... just as a laptop is. Not that you don't get shit done on there, its just a bit more cozy :)
I have an eye on sinty.dev/ as well though I think there is already a alpha out, but I have done enough distro/de hoping this and last year :)
From what I can tell its GNOME but with less margins. The design is still very libadwaita like which makes modern GNOME apps not look out of place. It is from the same developer that did Vanilla OS and Bottles so this won't be abandoned too quickly. In the age of vibe coded and quickly forgotten garbage you can't be too sure about that.
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I don't think it makes a noticable difference. On laptops I prefer a scrolling or tiling window manager (Niri and Sway come to mind), but KDE and GNOME both work fine as well. Might be useful to optimize some keybinds to make your flow more keyboard-centric.
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in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •Before:
- Gnome 2 was great
- Gnome 3 was terrible
- KDE 4 was terrible
Today: KDE.
Why not Gnome:
Why KDE:
- It has all the basic features by default, and a bunch of extra stuff.
- General new user process is:
- looking through settings and changing the 2-3 they care about
- looking through features, trying them out to see which ones you want to use, turning on/off the 2-3 you care about
- Never needing to look through or remember the other settings, because your computer is already set up for y
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- Gnome 2 was great
- Gnome 3 was terrible
- KDE 4 was terrible
Today: KDE.
Why not Gnome:
Why KDE:
Future:
- Gnome: more of the same, likely basic features missing until specific people are removed (could be 5-10 years, then another few years of catching up).
- KDE: Will continue consolidating features where it makes sense.
- Cosmic: Will continue sanding off rough edges and fill in last remaining missing features. Will probably surpass Gnome for 90% of users in a year. Will probably be trading blows with KDE in 3 years and will surpass them if KDE ever makes any missteps.
NorthernLightMountain
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I'm running Plasma at the moment. I actually prefer three look out Gnome and I think I would use it if my home computer was used for anything productive. It's mainly used for gaming though and Gnomes main design doesn't quite flow as well while gaming on a dual screen setup.
It's just easier to be able to see the task bar and all open programs (and sys tray) on my second monitor all the time instead of having to go through a hot cornet or hitting the super button.
Sure, this could be fixed through the use of addons (like Ubuntu has by default for instance) but these tend to break on new versions of Gnome while Plasma just keep working.
My preferred setup while running Gnome was the stock adwaita theme, dag to panel, arc menu and whatever that sys tray addon was called.
If I could have the same look over in Plasma I'd be pretty happy tbh but I haven't really made the effort since it just works the way it is and doesn't look bad doing it either.
hubobes
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I found KDE to be cleaner, they work extremely hard on making GTK apps look like native Qt apps for example. Or how tray Icons (which need a plug in on Gnome) look and behave. On KDE they feel native, Gnomes plugins make them look foreign.
So weirdly enough KDE is imho the cleaner of the two.
Omega_Jimes
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in reply to Omega_Jimes • • •JoshCodes
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •I'm really easily distracted and have things to do when I use my home PC(s). So gnome is really the only thing I can reliably set up and not spend all my time customising. Also, Ubuntu was my first distro (tbh it was Kali Linux but we don't talk about my larp era) and I liked the DE from that.
Its not like I don't customise it mind you, but that's limited to changing the default wallpaper, installing blur my shell and dash to panel, then adding custom icons, usually Tela circle. After that though I don't touch anything in the DE. If I'm on a laptop, I go full Ubuntu and put the dock on the left vertical side of the screen
In comparison I once spent hours customising KDE to look and sound like windows 98, only to realise I didn't like it, to change it to something completely different 3 more times. I did not pass the assignment I was meant to be doing. Its fun but I'll do anything to procrastinate.
professor_prime
in reply to sando_en_shorts • • •GNOME3 was designed by absolute morons who refuse to hear anything that doesn't support their echo chamber.
KDE is like a swiss army knife and the best part about it is just using the knife.