A lot would be better in this world, if Ed Sheeran had told the tour organisers, "I am not playing if Macklemore is not playing".
Instead he chose business over ideals, and now all the bands quit his tour.
I hope Ed Sheeran learns that there is no "being apolitical" in this world. The Russians tried to ignore their genocide, and now their own cities are bombed. The Israelis tried, and now they are being sanctioned.
Closing your eyes does not help you find the right path forward.
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Konrad
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •For once I do not agree with you, Randahl
People go to concerts to forget real life worries for a couple hours, not to be hit in the face with a strong, unexpected political message.
Sheeran has been forced into a lose-lose situation, whatever he could do was going to upset lots of people.
There are dedicated, political events where to convey political messages, an Ed Sheeran's concert isn't one of them in my opinion.
⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to Konrad • • •@retrocomputing
on the contrary, you go to an act knowing an act, or you're an idiot
macklemore has been doing this for years now. anyone who doesn't know that is the problem
music has been an avenue of protest since forever
but sure, some people are empty heads who just want a plastic experience
god only knows why they even want to go to a concert then, and suffer the horrible experience of being exposed to a human conscience
i completely and utterly reject your formulation
Konrad
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •About the rest, thankfully each of us is entitled to their own opinions - for the time being at least.
⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to Konrad • • •@retrocomputing
yes i am deeply apologetic for piercing your bubble
maybe to suit your needs everyone on mastodon should only do plastic empty talk?
or maybe fuck your needs, or the imagined needs of your hypothetical legion of apolitical concert goers
you might have noticed, excuse me if i am wrong, that there are important issues in the world
all the "polite society" lotus eaters can go fuck themselves
⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •@retrocomputing
"enough"
😂
i guess it's important to stay "neutral" on genocide for certain characters i would describe as {honest description redacted so i don't get suspended}
Mogleg
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •Funny how “neutral” on genocide always means supporting the genocide while also criticising people opposing the genocide… weird how that works.
@retrocomputing @randahl
⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to Mogleg • • •@Mogleg @retrocomputing
this konrad character is selling an agenda. they are not directly attacking the issue, they are shifting the topic to avoid the issue, and framing that avoidance as some kind of virtue
because when people are ambivalent and uninterested, this is a victory for those doing malice in the world
it's manipulation, and it's transparent
Mogleg
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •Couldn’t have put it better myself without using more words and several expletives ;)
@retrocomputing @randahl
⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to Mogleg • • •@Mogleg @retrocomputing
stay angry my friend
just no frothing at the mouth
this advice is partly for myself as well. i need a continual reminder
Konrad
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •Jigme Datse
in reply to ⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce) • • •RantingCanuck
in reply to Konrad • • •Music has always been highly political; what Macklemore does is no different than Bob Dylan, the Sex Pistols, Rage Against the Machine, and so many others have done for decades (going back centuries). Almost every movement for change has had it's own protest songs and music.
Sharpe!
in reply to Konrad • • •@retrocomputing I have to assume that everyone else at the Bad Religion concert was also seeking an apolitical escape from reality.
And that Green Day concert, for that matter.
We don't need AI. AI needs us.
in reply to Konrad • • •You don't remember the concerts against south African apartheid regime, right?
Unredacted Epstein files now
in reply to Konrad • • •Jennifer Moore 😷
in reply to Konrad • • •@retrocomputing
Or you might feel uplifted by hearing your favourite musicians speak on it. What does "hit in the face" imply about the politics of the people who would feel that way?
@randahl
Anton Zadorožnyj
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Christian Klüber-Demir 🏈
in reply to Anton Zadorožnyj • • •@dartov
12 European countries are blocking imports from settlements in occupied territories, for example.
It's not much, but it's a start.
Sam Steiner and 487 others
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •billionaires cancelling free speech are the real problem.
Too easy to blame him and all the employees who would have been without jobs and fans who would have lost money because of it while billionaires just get what they want whenever they want.
Ellen Bakker
in reply to Sam Steiner and 487 others • • •Sam Steiner and 487 others
in reply to Ellen Bakker • • •TC Won't Give In To Lies
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •It's never too late to make a good choice.
#Sheeran can still save the situation by going on stage in MA and saying:
- Free Palestine
- Robert Kraft is trying to control what you hear from the stage
- Robert Kraft is a billionaire who is in the #EpsteinFiles and was caught on video "allegedly" soliciting prostitution.
Edit: Sheeran can keep is show 'friendly' and simply issue the above as a statement. Better still, move to a different MA facility & bring Macklemore.
jmjm
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Skjeggtroll
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •⏩︎VOTE⏪︎ ᶜʸⁿⁱᶜⁱˢᵐ⁼ᵃᶜᶜᵉᵖᵗᵃⁿᶜᵉ (Ben Royce)
in reply to Skjeggtroll • • •@skjeggtroll
also:
"we booked these venues. if you don't honor your agreement, we'll sue the fuck out of you robert kraft"
Lidsel
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •pizzadoesntexist
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •i would argue that in the best of cases it wouldn't achieve anything. or, more likely, it would do more harm.
this makes sense when the cause lacks attention. but when the entire world has been bombarded with it for years now ... all it does is create even more discord among two already opposing and well established sides.
by this point everyone picked a side and they're not going to change their mind because some rapper told them to.
ginoputrino
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •You have to understand poor Ed Sheeran's net worth is only about 400 million pounds. If he stood on his principles and turned these people down, then how could he afford to live? Where could he afford to sleep?
The guy can't turn down any gigs or he'd be homeless.
Matt Hardy 3.11 for Workgroups
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Hermannus Stegeman
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Tell's you all you need to know about Ed as well
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