Returning to the fediverse is hard.
With Reddit just announcing ai mods for sub reddits I think it’s finally time I fully give it up. I’ve been slowly trying to transition back into the fediverse but damn is it hard sometimes. Listen I have left leaning politics but does every other post have to be about some political shit on the all tab, I feel like I’m forced into this box that is my subscribed feed or I have to actively search out new communities because all is just a political circle jerk that I don’t care about. Not to mention the moment I came back I saw a fucking flow chart on the instances drama of the week. If I wasn’t so dedicated to dropping Reddit I think the average Joe would have left by now seeing all of this. And YES I have been trying to be the change I want to see if you check my profile I regularly post in meme subs non political just funny memes to be like “lmao” and people can move about their day. I’m not saying there ISNT other type of content on lemmy or piefed it just feels like the stuff that floats to the top is political
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •We call this part the Threadiverse - bc of threaded conversional style, not user-centric like the microblog style but instead topic-based.
The (some say unfortunate?) term predates the mostly dead and predatory Threads offering by Meta, and people are adamant about not changing it so... there it is. Also, don't worry, threads.net is literally the only instance that is mass-banned by EVERY SINGLE ONE of the servers across the entire Threadiverse. And aside from that, it's actually a good name, which we decided to not let them take from us!!
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in reply to hendrik • • •Wren
in reply to faythofdragons • • •Be the change you want to see.
For now you could post to !Art_Alchemist_Guild@lemmy.today which has a little bit of everything. I'd love to check out your projects.
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in reply to faythofdragons • • •Sub to all the new com communities, and keep your eyes peeled for any links to interesting stuff in the comments and then immediately subscribe if it seems at all interesting.
But the reality is that niche comms don't really fire on Lemmy yet, so you'll mainly find stuff that's either mass appeal or nerd/leftist stuff.
I tried to create a community about trees (the wooden kind) when I joined. It's still here but after a lot of effort posting there I realized there just wasn't enough of an audience to keep organic discussions going at all times. Same with my local geographic area.
Hopefully someday there will be more growth and these can start to become more viable.
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in reply to LibertyLizard • • •The trouble, I think, is that even Reddit wasn't Reddit (as we think of it now) for years and years. Recall that when it started, there were no subreddits, it was all one feed. The niche subreddits branched off of more general ones after participation grew and critical mass developed, the subreddit topics driven by what users were talking about.
It doesn't work the other way around. You can create a community to house a topic that people want to talk about; you can't make people interested in a topic just by creating a community. I think we've suffered by premature fissioning into a thousand niche communities, each with 1 or 2 people talking to themselves.
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in reply to faythofdragons • • •Check out lemmyverse.net to find communities. If you set your home instance (top right, button with a home icon, enter
slrpnk.netin your case), then it will open the page where you can subscribe directly. There's a longer guide here with more tips: fedecan.ca/en/guide/threadiverse/finding-communitiesIf you aren't sure what you want to subscribe to, there is a list pinned on !communitypromo@lemmy.ca ~~@blaze@piefed.zip had an amazing list of non-politics communities that unfortunately I can't seem to find right now.~~
Once Lemmy releases the big v1 update, both Lemmy and Piefed will have multi-communities that you can subscribe to in order to get a lot of similar content.
As for your requests specifically, check out these. Some are more relevant than others, and the small ones grow as interested people post to them:
Finding Communities | Fedecan
fedecan.caGreatWhiteBuffalo41
in reply to Otter • • •Slrpnk also has a full list of every community on it and I love that
Also, not who you're responding to but I just subbed to all of those, thank you!
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in reply to Blaze • • •That's the one I forgot to check 🤦 I looked in !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca
Thanks!
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in reply to faythofdragons • • •!newcommunities@lemmy.world
!newcommunities@discuss.online
give those a scroll and see if anything works for you.
also search for topics you enjoy, or things you would expect to find as a subreddit. i usually sub to the top couple matches by population. this can backfire when i see the same post multiple times in (for example) 4 different linux coms. not everything wil have a com, but thats ok. make one if you feel strongly enough about it.
when i first joined a few years ago there was a tool that would try to find matches for your subreddits. i cant remember what it was called or if it still exists, but give it a look
a combo between the two is to find the list of your subs on reddit, then search them all one by one in lemmy. it takes time, but it will set you up reasonably well
pay attentiin when things are crossposted, maybe you would like one of those communities too
that and just stick with it. youll find your place.
edit: my links at the top broke
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I believe you're somehow subsconciously expecting an algorithm to curate your feed.
On Lemmy that work is on you.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •reddit has rapidly become somewhere you go for need, not for want
ie: a particular linux sub, only as needed.
Ideally the subs you follow there, will appear here in time, but the problem with that is that the people will follow, and this (to a degree) will become that.
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in reply to kibblebits • • •Yes but mostly labeled and primarily contained within certain boundaries - some users, whole entire instances (lemmit), and communities. And arguably, a bot that is properly labeled as such is not a problem, especially when you can automatically filter or otherwise distinguish such content (e.g. PieFed provides numerous tools for this).
Meanwhile, Reddit is a lost cause in this regard.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Some instances do curate the default communities. Programming.dev hides a number of communities by default:
legal.programming.dev/docs/hidden-communities/
Other instances may have similar policies.
Hidden Communities | P.D Legal
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •You just need a decent block/filter list. I scroll new/all and probably see 3-4 political posts daily.
I would be unable to use Lemmy/Piefed without a well-rounded block/filter list.
Krusty
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Notice what instances those posts come from and block them... Notice what users seem to post politics wherever. Block them...
I'll often block lemmy.world, and unblock it when really bored.
Gotta curate your feed.
stopforgettingit
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I did a couple things to make my life comfy here.
I changed my default sort to be "new comments" - this gave me the biggest perspective change on Lemmy, I now see where there active conversations are and it makes the place feel more full of people and less pages and pages of empty threads. I also found a lot less political stuff this way, because it gets posted a lot but people only interact with a few of the political posts, so only those one end up floating to the top. I am finding myself getting less politics this way on Lemmy than I was on reddit
I blocked Lemmy.ml and hexbear. A lot of the wilder leftist stuff comes from there and once it was blocked I saw the amount of politics in my feed drop right away.
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in reply to stopforgettingit • • •Love sorting by "new comments" I believe old message boards where also sorted like that on default? or maybe im misremembering. Sadly PieFed does not have that yet :(
I dont like that posts from 24h ago are already forgotten and you never really get a broader perspective on things because I think people (me included) don't bother commenting on stuff nobody will see as its not "Hot" anymore. I would love to see threads/posts being active for a longer time.
I also like piefeds "Active" algorithm. It does filter out alot of circle jerk content where there really is not much to talk about instead of agreeing.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Yeah, no matter your political leanings, you gotta approach the fediverse in reverse of the way reddit worked. Reddit, you went and subbed to the things you were interested in and only went to the all feed if you wanted random discovert.
With lemmy, piefed and mbin (or kbin, whichever is still in use), you have to default to the all feed because there's only so much activity per community, which means discovery is much harder and your subscribed feed takes months sometimes to get filled in with useful things. It's more efficient and enjoyable to spend the time pruning out the non enjoyed stuff from the all feed so that you have access to more things overall.
That's helped by app that have filters. You can weed out a lot of bullshit just with keywords preventing specific topics coming up even in communities you are in.
The fediverse is more work on the user's part to make work. I don't consider that a bad thing overall, but it does make it hard for ex redditors (aka r/effugees) to on board, and can be confusing for total newcomers to threaded forums.
Tbh tho
... Mostrar másYeah, no matter your political leanings, you gotta approach the fediverse in reverse of the way reddit worked. Reddit, you went and subbed to the things you were interested in and only went to the all feed if you wanted random discovert.
With lemmy, piefed and mbin (or kbin, whichever is still in use), you have to default to the all feed because there's only so much activity per community, which means discovery is much harder and your subscribed feed takes months sometimes to get filled in with useful things. It's more efficient and enjoyable to spend the time pruning out the non enjoyed stuff from the all feed so that you have access to more things overall.
That's helped by app that have filters. You can weed out a lot of bullshit just with keywords preventing specific topics coming up even in communities you are in.
The fediverse is more work on the user's part to make work. I don't consider that a bad thing overall, but it does make it hard for ex redditors (aka r/effugees) to on board, and can be confusing for total newcomers to threaded forums.
Tbh though, ten plus years ago, the initial reddit experience for a noob there was worse in many ways. Hell, outright hostile at times, if you were a noob that dared speak your mind against the zeitgeist of a given sub. At least here, you usually only run into that if you're not fairly solidly leftist, or try to hate on linux. That's much easier to deal with imo.
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in reply to smeg • • •P03 Locke
in reply to southsamurai • • •I'm regularly looking through Last 12 Hours with only my subscribe feed. You just have to take the time to find all of the communities you like. I got 92 communities in my list so far, though I think only 5-10% of them are the popular ones that show up all the time.
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in reply to southsamurai • • •It is Mbin that's still alive, yeah. Despite some instances still being named kbin, like the one I'm on, they're actually running Mbin.
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in reply to Pamasich • • •frongt
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I don't feel that this is a problem. I don't ever use the All feed, because I specifically don't want to see all. There's a lot of garbage I don't care about out there.
This is... a weird change you'd want to see. Usually people want to see more signal and less noise.
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wizardbeard
in reply to frongt • • •At this point I think a lot of people, OP included, would tolerate plenty more noise as long as it isn't "everything sucks and you should be mad about it!"
Yeah, signal is better than noise, but the signal itself becomes noise when it's all so damn much doom and gloom and aggression and frustration and generally negative emotions. It's not healthy to constantly drink from the fire hose of "this is everything wrong with everything"
And as an aside, I find that the quality of conversation around a lot of the political "signal" has been slipping too.
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Bu11ish
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I agree completely.
I see some people below saying "curate your feed". But this isn't viable because:
The problem is with the user base. The user base is extremely susceptible to low effort rage baiting. It's full of immature kids and intellectually dishonest users.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •There are real people still on Reddit?
Shocking
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Hey, welcome back.
piefed.world hasn't really invested much into populating their Explore menu, to make finding communities easier.
I've just added a few feeds though, check out piefed.world/feeds
Also feddit.online/topics is an amazing directory of all the communities. It's a separate instance to piefed.world though so when you find good communities you'll need to manually copy their address into your piefed.world account. Or just move yourself to feddit.online...
Browse by topic
feddit.onlineeremophila
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Did you look at the all feed on reddit? If so there is no help for you anywhere, you make your own choices.
If I could block the usa on here, would I still see posts from people crying about left, leftist, leftism?
Awfully ironic from a country where 1% of the people even vote left, let alone know what it is.
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in reply to wizardbeard • • •wizardbeard
in reply to eremophila • • •Huh? Are you calling yourself brainrotted or something? I mirrored the language you used yourself.
Point is that there are instances set up in ways to have less of the shit you're complaining about, but instead you're using an instance that isn't... and complaining about it.
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Wren
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •To be fair the instance drama was unusually exciting in the fallout of the ban list.
But anyway. I got my ideal experience by joining .today, which doesn't block any instances, and only browsing my subscribed. It only took about an hour to get a solid list built up, one that I add to when I see things recommended or in the community promo groups. The front page of my feed is usually memes, comics, art and tech news.
Diva (she/her)
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •lambalicious
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •There's a reason it's called the "All" tab and not the "Some" tab, and even then it's mostly making an effort.
The fediverse stuff is already set on the tooling for that. Set your feed view away from All to, say, Subscribed, and block the stuff you don't like.
TORFdot0
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I really don’t see that many political posts in my subscribed feed and don’t see all that much on my Lemmy.world all feed either.
Most of my blocks have been just furry porn and the worst tankies on .ml
Lemmy.world is defederated from hexbear, Lemmygrad, and beehaw so maybe try blocking those instances if it’s too much for you
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I absolutely agree, I am also a leftist but constantly stewing in political news isn't good for your head, or even in a practical sense good for your ability to go actually get involved in stuff outside. You have to take care of yourself if you want emotional energy with which to do any real political labor
I wish we could come up with some collective strategy to create better balance cause this platform tends to share politics as common ground, and with not many people here that means a lot of what gets posted and engaged with is all just news and politics.
And yes, I know everything is political. AND, you need to be able to step away from the politics of the world and catch your breath and be mentally well. Any one thing dominating your time and emotional energy can become unhealthy quickly, especially when its all bad news or small victories that remind you of the broken bigger picture.
Balance is important. I'm thinking about creating a seperate account and blocking all the political communities and filtering by keywords so I can just be here for hobbies and
... Mostrar másI absolutely agree, I am also a leftist but constantly stewing in political news isn't good for your head, or even in a practical sense good for your ability to go actually get involved in stuff outside. You have to take care of yourself if you want emotional energy with which to do any real political labor
I wish we could come up with some collective strategy to create better balance cause this platform tends to share politics as common ground, and with not many people here that means a lot of what gets posted and engaged with is all just news and politics.
And yes, I know everything is political. AND, you need to be able to step away from the politics of the world and catch your breath and be mentally well. Any one thing dominating your time and emotional energy can become unhealthy quickly, especially when its all bad news or small victories that remind you of the broken bigger picture.
Balance is important. I'm thinking about creating a seperate account and blocking all the political communities and filtering by keywords so I can just be here for hobbies and folks chatting when I want that
Blaze
in reply to Cris_Citrus (he/him <3) • • •That's what I do, having two accounts definitely help!
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in reply to Blaze • • •Hey blaze, I haven't seen you around for a bit ☺️ thanks for the instance reccomendations a while back when I switched from Cris_Color; I'm appreciating the no-fuss out of the way approach to moderation and governance from the .zip folks!
Yeah, I think I should probably sit down and do that at some point, it'd be nice to be able to step in and out of the news as I please
Hope you have a lovely day!
Blaze
in reply to Cris_Citrus (he/him <3) • • •Yes, life has been busy lately, it's nice to be back here 😄
You're welcome, glad you enjoy it!
Thank you, you too!
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OpenStars
in reply to Cris_Citrus (he/him <3) • • •With PieFed (as you have) you can both have your cake and eat it too. By unsubscribing from all political communities, it prevents such content from entering into your Subscribed feed, but then visiting a politics feed brings it back to being instantly available at the touch of that button.
PieFed.zip does not have as extensive built-in options related to politics as PieFed.social (where there are multiple layers in a hierarchy, broken down into subregions geographically), so the closest is probably Global News. Though also since feeds are user-customizable and shareable you can always custom-build your own to perfectly suit your tastes or reuse someone else's who has already done so. Noting post flairs where available can help with this too - e.g. a flair saying USA politics if you want to avoid that can help you skip over those posts by color (there are even custom CSS code you could implement to filter those out, if you wanted to get deeper).
Pro-Tip: for low-volume communities whe
... Mostrar másWith PieFed (as you have) you can both have your cake and eat it too. By unsubscribing from all political communities, it prevents such content from entering into your Subscribed feed, but then visiting a politics feed brings it back to being instantly available at the touch of that button.
PieFed.zip does not have as extensive built-in options related to politics as PieFed.social (where there are multiple layers in a hierarchy, broken down into subregions geographically), so the closest is probably Global News. Though also since feeds are user-customizable and shareable you can always custom-build your own to perfectly suit your tastes or reuse someone else's who has already done so. Noting post flairs where available can help with this too - e.g. a flair saying USA politics if you want to avoid that can help you skip over those posts by color (there are even custom CSS code you could implement to filter those out, if you wanted to get deeper).
Pro-Tip: for low-volume communities where you want to be alerted to every single post (daily comics? or something that you help moderate?), you can click the bell icon in the browser web UI and it will send you a notification upon every single post to that community. Even if that ever became overwhelming (a vacation where you did not pause them before leaving?), the notification area is easy to split up into people replying to your content vs. new posts, and then for the latter you don't have to go through one by one but select all and make as read.
And ofc there's always the old standby of browsing by All and blocking the communities that you are certain that you will never want to see - like those in another language (but unhelpfully not marked as such) that you cannot (so readily) read anyway. That approach is always available anytime.
It's great to have options to choose from!
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Come on, this is not a problem. It's a feature.
As another user said in another reply, having a algorithm curating your feed ends up curating you.
It's even easier here than on reddit since you can even block whole instances! Block the ones that have the most political communities and you will be fine.
I agree with you on one thing, the lack of content on topics that are not tech or political related. But that falls on us, the users. I hope more communities will continue to grow in the future.
I don't know, for me at least, it has been pretty funny, especially these days. You enter fediverse@lemmy.world, see the big pinned thread that says "Don't whine", and then hundreds of people whining. It gives me a chuckle.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •But, so far, afaik, the software itself is still neutral, so you can find instances and communities that fit your needs.
However, this initial leaning is still going to surface from time to time even after spending time blocking the instances and communities you don't want to see, as users can move around freely.
Bismyth
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •So far I've blocked over a hundred communities and it's killed most of the adrenal rage-bait political posts that don't do anything other than rile me up. It's one thing to be aware of shitty things happening but it's another thing to doomscroll just for the adrenaline hit, and as a person with general anxiety I want to feel better after scrolling rather than worse
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in reply to FoxtrotDeltaTango • • •However, neither are going to happen, without enormous efforts to buck the existing trends. See e.g. these recent comments from a community that was considering whether to switch from Reddit to the Threadiverse (reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/):
... Mostrar másSadly, these seem representative of how people think of us here. You can see it for yourself too: simp
However, neither are going to happen, without enormous efforts to buck the existing trends. See e.g. these recent comments from a community that was considering whether to switch from Reddit to the Threadiverse (reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/):
Sadly, these seem representative of how people think of us here. You can see it for yourself too: simply browse most instances from an account without your existing blocks, in order to see what it is like from the eyes of a Redditor. Worse, they are primarily Christian centrists, and not only do they not FEEL welcomed here, but... in truth... they AREN'T ⁉️
There was a brief moment when Lemmy had ~65k active users, immediately during the Rexodus. That quickly fell to ~55k, which then fell to a more stable ~45k, and nowadays we are down to ~35k. And this is despite how Reddit is even in a process of killing off old-reddit, which is what we all said was going to be the signal for the end of Reddit and the great migration here. Tbf it is still early in that process, but it's already started, it's not some future date it's happening now. And the people there say that there is no way in hell that they will come here. Maybe Bluesky, but not Lemmy.
Perhaps that's fine - perhaps we are collectively okay with remaining niche, and most content (even some of the morenhighly technical stuff) staying on Reddit, but since your comment expressed the opposite desire, I thought I would try to point out that it is simply not going to happen - not unless there is a major change (bc otherwise simply doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result tends to not work out so well).
Perhaps the upcoming release of Lemmy v1.0, when moderator reports will finally begin federating out to other instances, can help create spaces that are more free of the types of behaviors that are currently causing people to avoid us here like the plague. I somewhat doubt it but... it's possible? Lemmy will always remain tiny, so it is perhaps best that we make our peace with that. Sorry, it is what it is.
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in reply to OpenStars • • •I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Maybe one day more people would lemmy, but you do have a point there
A lot problems are going to have to be addressed and one day more people will use lemmy,
Maybe one day people realize that not everyone on lemmy is a tankie and once that happens more people would use it
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in reply to FoxtrotDeltaTango • • •That's the thing, many of these people self-report that they have tried. These are the ones who got over the hurdle of "it's too complicated" and bravely dived right in. We here who use Linux btw aren't afraid of such, but ofc to many people that is still daunting. But anyway, there are MANY who did come here... only to nope right back out, some of them retuning to Reddit.
And at least some of those - at least it definitely does not seem rare or even uncommon (it may even be fully common if not quite average) - remained here for years. They did not simply pop in for a day, not like what they saw, and popped right back out: they stuck with us, if not visiting daily then at least off and on for multiple years.
And then they abandoned the Threadiverse, going around trashing our reputation to anyone who will listen. And, given the several posts related to this topic just within the last week alone, not without good reasons. Even we who remain here (for however much longer) don't like what we see.
Perhaps part of the problem is how we talk a
... Mostrar másThat's the thing, many of these people self-report that they have tried. These are the ones who got over the hurdle of "it's too complicated" and bravely dived right in. We here who use Linux btw aren't afraid of such, but ofc to many people that is still daunting. But anyway, there are MANY who did come here... only to nope right back out, some of them retuning to Reddit.
And at least some of those - at least it definitely does not seem rare or even uncommon (it may even be fully common if not quite average) - remained here for years. They did not simply pop in for a day, not like what they saw, and popped right back out: they stuck with us, if not visiting daily then at least off and on for multiple years.
And then they abandoned the Threadiverse, going around trashing our reputation to anyone who will listen. And, given the several posts related to this topic just within the last week alone, not without good reasons. Even we who remain here (for however much longer) don't like what we see.
Perhaps part of the problem is how we talk about it: I don't care about discussions with "tankies" in relation to whatever political beliefs someone may have, I care about discussions with "trolls" and "incels" for whom no means push forward harder, who do not respect any boundaries and so turn people away from this platform, sometimes the moment they set foot here while other times in the longer term sense. We don't so much have a "tankie problem" (that is in reference to a famous title of an old post here several years ago), we have a... what exactly? Though if we go down that route, it's not a simple, single explanation but rather multiple - like trolls (hexbear) and doomerism posts and incels (meh, all social media has those though, it's just that our overall lack of moderation tools allows them to thrive more here than elsewhere). The word "tankie" has come to symbolize all of those, in part bc it fits, if not extremely well then at least better than any other singular word?
But I want to stress that we do not merely have an image problem, so much as major structural ones. For the people coming here, having to choose between man vs. bear (our often unmoderated spaces that in many ways resemble 4chan, vs. the overly moderated fascist partners like Reddit and X that heavily limit what you are allowed to say), despite how we might think that their choice is "stupid", even so they have chosen the bear... and the are strongly encouraging others to do the same (while in contrast I only see like <10 people on all of Reddit saying otherwise, that people should come here to check us out - and even there it's often like Beehaw or mander.xyz while browsing locally, neither of which would act as a Reddit replacement for more than their specific subreddit, except the situation is even worse than that since those are both non-starters, on a large enough scale to migrate an entire subreddit here).
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in reply to FoxtrotDeltaTango • • •Oh the Threadiverse will definitely continue, and arguably it being smaller is even a good thing, helping to avoid attracting bot spam on the same level as corporate enshittified platforms. But I don't think very many additional people will use it than this - in fact all prior trends since the Rexodus have shown quite a dramatic decrease instead - and therefore the topics covered, especially apolitical ones, are going to have to be "carried" by an ever-smaller and smaller subset of people who are willing to put in the work to add content. Which itself is daunting bc then whenever you post or comment you expose yourself to downvotes and toxic insane dumbshit replies, or more commonly merely silence in return.
People are only willing to put up with such for so long, before reaching for other alternatives (like going to a local library and reading a physical book?). And btw this is not unique to the Threadiverse with tankies, it's an extremely prevalent effect across all Fediverse platforms - e.g. here is a very interesting article talking about the identical effect (m
... Mostrar másOh the Threadiverse will definitely continue, and arguably it being smaller is even a good thing, helping to avoid attracting bot spam on the same level as corporate enshittified platforms. But I don't think very many additional people will use it than this - in fact all prior trends since the Rexodus have shown quite a dramatic decrease instead - and therefore the topics covered, especially apolitical ones, are going to have to be "carried" by an ever-smaller and smaller subset of people who are willing to put in the work to add content. Which itself is daunting bc then whenever you post or comment you expose yourself to downvotes and toxic insane dumbshit replies, or more commonly merely silence in return.
People are only willing to put up with such for so long, before reaching for other alternatives (like going to a local library and reading a physical book?). And btw this is not unique to the Threadiverse with tankies, it's an extremely prevalent effect across all Fediverse platforms - e.g. here is a very interesting article talking about the identical effect (maybe less on the side of outright trolling) on Mastodon as well: wingolog.org/archives/2024/09/24/fedi-is-for-losers. Fwiw I kinda like that terminology, except it can be so easily misunderstood: like we aren't merely "losers" here as in opposition to "winners" as the article claims, but rather in opposition to "gainers" as in greedily trying to always grow, especially at any cost. Sometimes it's okay to just sit there and be who you are, without trying to grow or expand further.
So no I don't think that we will grow. But maybe that's okay? Either way it is what it is - we can't force people to come here against their will, only try to be as welcoming as possible so that they can feel at home here if they do decide to visit.
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in reply to amio • • •Fwiw there is !nonpolitical_comics@piefed.social, though with at best one post per week (or almost per month lately), and on the instance that has decided to shadow-censor votes even from other users of the Threadiverse like Lemmy and Mbin without disclosure of that fact. Announcement of the latter might have had a really chilling effect upon the community since this past month the number of posts has really dropped off a cliff.
It's been really hard for people to be the change they want to see in the world, and to share the same spaces despite such major differences in outlook on life. And for all the criticism of their moderation policies (note I am not questioning the validity of that, especially since I don't post or typically even comment in the political communities so have no direct experience there), each time a MAJOR Threadiverse user leaves, they take all of their posting efforts with them - I'm talking about the likes of FlyingSquid, PugJesus, and I almost hesitate to mention AdmiralPatrick since I've already been accused of being an alt of his:-).
... Mostrar másFwiw there is !nonpolitical_comics@piefed.social, though with at best one post per week (or almost per month lately), and on the instance that has decided to shadow-censor votes even from other users of the Threadiverse like Lemmy and Mbin without disclosure of that fact. Announcement of the latter might have had a really chilling effect upon the community since this past month the number of posts has really dropped off a cliff.
It's been really hard for people to be the change they want to see in the world, and to share the same spaces despite such major differences in outlook on life. And for all the criticism of their moderation policies (note I am not questioning the validity of that, especially since I don't post or typically even comment in the political communities so have no direct experience there), each time a MAJOR Threadiverse user leaves, they take all of their posting efforts with them - I'm talking about the likes of FlyingSquid, PugJesus, and I almost hesitate to mention AdmiralPatrick since I've already been accused of being an alt of his:-).
I tend to not post often myself unless I really have something I want to share, as people either can respond negatively or else not at all, even for like a nonpolitical comic, and that can make it somewhat un-fun. (So instead I try to make the Threadiverse more lively by contributing comments:-)
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •What kind of posts are you looking for?
Because the upvotes are controlling what people want.
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amio
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Just every other? You must've spent quite some time filtering shit already, then.
You see, if you don't like all the ragebait you are No True Leftist. Disagree with anyone at any time? Gotta hand that card in, bro, 'cause you've got to be some fascist or something. Or "shitlib" or whatever cringe terminology the tankies use. This may come as a shock to you but at least Random Angry Dipshit was kind enough to inform you about your entire political stance that you thought was something radically different. Neat trick, right? Aren't you grateful? I know I am.
... Mostrar másCorrect! It's also an unappealing and rather significant workload trying to find real activity on real communities on here to subscribe
Just every other? You must've spent quite some time filtering shit already, then.
You see, if you don't like all the ragebait you are No True Leftist. Disagree with anyone at any time? Gotta hand that card in, bro, 'cause you've got to be some fascist or something. Or "shitlib" or whatever cringe terminology the tankies use. This may come as a shock to you but at least Random Angry Dipshit was kind enough to inform you about your entire political stance that you thought was something radically different. Neat trick, right? Aren't you grateful? I know I am.
Correct! It's also an unappealing and rather significant workload trying to find real activity on real communities on here to subscribe to, so /all is kinda it. Discoverability is garbage, one of many upshots of the way the federation gimmick was implemented.
I'm sure they mostly do, if they ever even learn of this place at all. That's why it keeps being like this. Parts of the fedv are indistinguishable from satire or outright trolling - that's not counting explicitly blatant troll instances like ml, gr*d and hb. I'd seriously thought some of the leftist infighting meme was... y'know, a meme.... Or that "here, I disagree with this one thing you said and now you're banned from X communities", from people who spent the last sentence whining about Reddit moderators. (They are right in isolation, just big blubbering hypocrites.)
Engagementbait on a platform that isn't even pushing "the algorithm" that way. Nifty, right?
It's not going to change, or even get any less of a pain to try to curate unless tooling gets better. It won't, because the Lemmy devs at least are tankie idiots who have no interest in making anything easy to curate (because then, the very first thing to go is their main shitholes for being blatant assholes to everyone except dictators)
Edit: on that note, instance blocks on ml, gr*d and hb are an absolute must
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OpenStars
in reply to amio • • •Fwiw, PieFed has mostly solved the discoverability issue. Here's a neat trick: make a new account on PieFed.social (note that PieFed.World won't work, since they haven't bothered to flesh out their categories of communities) and go through the sign-up wizard. Browse for a week, and every time you see a community that you like, subscribe to it also in your Lemmy account.
Make sure to also check out not only your Subscribed feed, but also the categories of communities too. It opens up a whole new method of browsing content. I get literal and actual poetry posts (despite ~10 upvotes + 0 comments) occasionally crossing my Subscribed feed this way, and if I feel in the mood it's fairly easy (even for you now without an account login needed) to see it at piefed.social/topic/arts-craft.
Lemmy has nothing remotely like this, even though I like its UI.
Arts & Craft
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Crescent
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I have been recently struggling to not go back to reddit after 3 years on Lemmy...
Almost everything I read here just makes my mood worse and the people are getting worse and worse. I really hoped it would work as a reddit alternative but it's exactly the opposite.
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Fizz
in reply to Crescent • • •After the reddit migration there was a sense of optimism and feeling that this platform could be something great. People were joking and interacting positively.
Then the I/P happened and agenda posting went crazy you had people attacking people where both people were on the same side of the issue. Its gotten consistently worse since then. I/p, Ukraine, Trump, AI its making people miserable and rightfully so. But I wonder what is needed for the path back to optimism and positive discussion.
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OpenStars
in reply to Fizz • • •The answer is extraordinarily simple, notwithstanding the fact that people refuse to hear it. It is called the Intolerance Paradox.
By allowing bullying and other toxic behaviors, we condone them and even amplify them further. Hey look, come join the Threadiverse, we have pics of cats here! Never mind the fact that for every such picture there are twenty pics saying how Western civilization must fall, so that Russia, China, and North Korea may rise!!
Just learn to block people bro! And then also learn to block instances! Except don't do that! Also, you literally can't bc the software merely claims that you can, but actually haha you cannot really! Then learn to use keywords, never mind that the software does not let you do that either!!
If people go someplace and constantly get punched in the face then... I for one do not blame them when they stop going there? Which leads to less content, and making this space even more of an echo chamber than it already is.
Paradox of Intolerance
Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia
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1984
in reply to remon • • •To me that signals someone deeply in their bubble.
But sure, you have that option... Block me too, this comment is probably also too spicy. :)
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in reply to forbiddencherry • • •What terrifies me, is yeah i see that in person all the time. Not just on the internet.
It's revenge, and bitterness. I meet 30 year olds making like 200K a year who are steeped in bitterness they can't afford a beach front mansion. A large part of it is pure entitlement and arrogance. Many young people think the world just owes them and they know better than everyone else and are completely delusional about how the world works. And often just spout meaningless cliche bullshit they know from social media rather than having any knowledge of history or any perspective with context.
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in reply to Fizz • • •yep.
and like 2-3 instances responsible for those 10 people. they have multiple accounts on various instances.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •I have always felt surrounded by right wing bullshit, on previous socials and in life.
This is the only place where I look around, and believe that it is people further to the left of me that are maybe taking things a bit far. I do NOT, for the record, agree with the apologists who want us to let more fash in, I like being in a place where I am, for once, the moderate.
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steelplatedmech
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Have you tried blocking communities? That's pretty much the only way to curate the general feed to start displaying more of what you want or at least not see what you don't want to see.
I had to do that on reddit back in the day using reddit is fun on Android to block subreddits, and reddit enhancement suite to do the same on desktop. My filter lists were very important.
LavaPlanet
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •There's also no curated algorithm to cause that dopamine rush, that causes the addiction, so you want to scroll and hit those juicy dopamine posts, but without the manipulation designed to keep you engaged and stuck, not going to happen. So it's also a great place to detox from your brain being in the habit of seeking dopamine that way, it's like a slow lowering to the ground, instead of cold turkey.
I was really feeling the loss of those dopamine hits, when I first transitioned over here, but now I don't look for those hits here at all, and I can just enjoy a small scroll, without getting stuck in here, and put my phone down, which is nice.
What reddit and Facebook do, is hugely manipulative and created and curated to trap you there. I don't know if that needs to be the same here, as much. And maybe curating your home page, really is the way to go.
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in reply to lastlybutfirstly • • •there are a handful of users who just post shitty low quality rage bait from shitty websites constantly across various communities all day long. many of these users were not on fedi a year ago.
like, websites you have never heard of, that are highly editorialized and frame things as dramatic and hyperbolic as possible.
and these posts dominate many of the news and politics communities, because juicy dopamine headlines mean people upvote.
and the comment sections are dumpster fires of similar minded folks, and anyone who is skeptical/critical gets dog piled and/or the OP comes out swinging calling them a fascist for daring to challenge the 'trump does thing world is collapsing' narrative they are all addicted to.
it's all engagement/rage bait quality stuff. it's not like, respectable moderate journalism that reports facts, that shit doesn't get upvotes because the headlines are not juicy enough.
FWIW I have been on fedi for 3 years and this stuff is exploded the past 6-9 months, I used to like the news/politics subs a year ago because they were not dom
... Mostrar másthere are a handful of users who just post shitty low quality rage bait from shitty websites constantly across various communities all day long. many of these users were not on fedi a year ago.
like, websites you have never heard of, that are highly editorialized and frame things as dramatic and hyperbolic as possible.
and these posts dominate many of the news and politics communities, because juicy dopamine headlines mean people upvote.
and the comment sections are dumpster fires of similar minded folks, and anyone who is skeptical/critical gets dog piled and/or the OP comes out swinging calling them a fascist for daring to challenge the 'trump does thing world is collapsing' narrative they are all addicted to.
it's all engagement/rage bait quality stuff. it's not like, respectable moderate journalism that reports facts, that shit doesn't get upvotes because the headlines are not juicy enough.
FWIW I have been on fedi for 3 years and this stuff is exploded the past 6-9 months, I used to like the news/politics subs a year ago because they were not dominated by this low quality content and typically had more respectable news-sources. but you can't compete with low-brow rage bait trolls who are just here to collect as many upvotes and flood the zone with dramatic bullshit to drive engagement, and that's what these posters are doing. if you confront them they just say you are a bad person who clearly supports Trump etc.
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OpenStars
in reply to TubularTittyFrog • • •Somehow on the backend the wires must have got crossed and sent c/Lemmyshitpost content over to c/news instead 🤪
(/s ...?)
PeriodicallyPedantic
in reply to LavaPlanet • • •I don't like how people talk about The Algorithm™ as though any feed algorithm is inherently a problem and exists to keep people trapped in the app.
I'd love to have an algorithm automatically curated my feed so I don't have to manually curate it, since the curation tools are so coarse.
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OpenStars
in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •Browse by topic
piefed.caPeriodicallyPedantic
in reply to OpenStars • • •I mean curation by community is too coarse. Often communities have a mixture of posts I'm interested in and posts that I'm not.
The idea of communities makes sense from a moderation perspective, but I don't like it from a feed/search perspective.
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in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •What would be more ideal? The tighter focus that e.g. subreddits provided? More niche communities here keep dying off, so that we cannot have e.g. a community based on a single game, so much as a community like just "gaming".
PieFed has a bunch of features that may help - post flairs (e.g. see posts about the Threadiverse but not Mastodon-style Fediverse posts), user flairs (e.g. see posts by senior "enthusiasts" in a community while excluding all those "hey all I am new and I love the Threadiverse so far"), or do direct keyword filtering. There are also user icons that you can place next to people's account names to help you visually spot posts from people that you might want to either specifically read or perhaps avoid, but whom you did not want to simply block. You can also "follow" users too, receiving notifications whenever they post.
Also, since you can always find content in those categories of communities / Topic Feeds, you can fine-tune your actual subscriptions more so that you make it tighter in the general sense. i.e. I'm saying that you can both have your
... Mostrar másWhat would be more ideal? The tighter focus that e.g. subreddits provided? More niche communities here keep dying off, so that we cannot have e.g. a community based on a single game, so much as a community like just "gaming".
PieFed has a bunch of features that may help - post flairs (e.g. see posts about the Threadiverse but not Mastodon-style Fediverse posts), user flairs (e.g. see posts by senior "enthusiasts" in a community while excluding all those "hey all I am new and I love the Threadiverse so far"), or do direct keyword filtering. There are also user icons that you can place next to people's account names to help you visually spot posts from people that you might want to either specifically read or perhaps avoid, but whom you did not want to simply block. You can also "follow" users too, receiving notifications whenever they post.
Also, since you can always find content in those categories of communities / Topic Feeds, you can fine-tune your actual subscriptions more so that you make it tighter in the general sense. i.e. I'm saying that you can both have your cake and eat it too! e.g. I unsubscribed from the most popular politics communities, which keeps it out of my Subscribed feed and allows other posts - even low-interaction stuff (with <10 upvotes) like poetry - to come through, but then whenever I want more I can always view those posts from a politics Feed, so nothing is "lost" that way.
PieFed offers a significantly more robust set of tools than Lemmy. Though in general the entire Threadiverse is niche, and cannot replace what Reddit had - like better post organization (across communities) is great and all, but when the actual content creators choose to submit to Reddit but not here, then there is only so much that can be done about that.
The Threadiverse isn't like "dying" or anything, but it's definitely not thriving either, when we used to have 65k active users while now we have 35k - people are leaving us in droves and not coming back.
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PeriodicallyPedantic
in reply to OpenStars • • •Automatic personalized feed curation, imo, would make it better, based on tags added by the author, by the reader, and by automatic classification, which is then weighted against your previous interaction with posts with those tags and explicit user preferences regarding those tags.\
In other words, an option for an automatic personalized feed algorithm. But people here (and the devs) are against it because it's a boogeyman.
That said piefed at least lets multiple tags be added to a post where Lemmy doesn't, so that's the minimum bar for something like what I'm describing.
But it's a chicken and egg problem because the tags aren't helpful for manual or automatic curation until more people actually use them accurately. So tldr I don't have a solution.
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OpenStars
in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •It sounds like you might enjoy TikTok. Those Algorithms exist for a reason - they give people what they want. Sometimes they can be overzealous, like you watch just ONE video in YouTube and it starts showing you more like it... but overall people use those platforms because they enjoy what they offer to them.
And as you say, PieFed takes giant leaps towards offering a user power to find what they want, e.g. in providing hashtags, which of course so few people use since even if they submit a post to a community on PieFed that would support them, if you do that from a Lemmy account, or via a 3rd-party app that does not provide (easy) support for hashtags, then the post will have none.
The entire Threadiverse is an experiment. To see what people will build, and to see what the community overall will use. It's sad to see it struggling so much but... writing code it turns out is so much easier than engendering consensus among people.
In the meantime, I now suggest to people that they not rely upon the Threadiverse and especially Lemmy as their sole source of social me
... Mostrar másIt sounds like you might enjoy TikTok. Those Algorithms exist for a reason - they give people what they want. Sometimes they can be overzealous, like you watch just ONE video in YouTube and it starts showing you more like it... but overall people use those platforms because they enjoy what they offer to them.
And as you say, PieFed takes giant leaps towards offering a user power to find what they want, e.g. in providing hashtags, which of course so few people use since even if they submit a post to a community on PieFed that would support them, if you do that from a Lemmy account, or via a 3rd-party app that does not provide (easy) support for hashtags, then the post will have none.
The entire Threadiverse is an experiment. To see what people will build, and to see what the community overall will use. It's sad to see it struggling so much but... writing code it turns out is so much easier than engendering consensus among people.
In the meantime, I now suggest to people that they not rely upon the Threadiverse and especially Lemmy as their sole source of social media. The tools are still being built, and even then something like 99% of what is already available is simply not being used, and the primary thing is Content - or you might argue rather interactions with people - both of which are fairly lacking here. e.g. so many major events happening irl that I don't even hear about the tiniest bit about here, and many times I have even searched the Threadiverse for keywords after I've learned about the topic elsewhere in case it was here but I simply missed it, only to find that as far as the Threadiverse is concerned the topic simply does not exist. Our low number of content creators is simply insufficient to fully replace Reddit or other sources, unless one's goal is simply masturbatory dopamine hits from exclusively looking at memes, or arguing about which facts exist or not (were there any fatalities in the Tiannamen Square Massacre or not?).
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PeriodicallyPedantic
in reply to OpenStars • • •I do enjoy tiktok, although the longer it exists (and the longer it's under American control) the more I feel the negative effects of "the algorithm" in that it's not just building an echo chamber by accident but it's intentionally showing me or not showing me things for their own gain.
I want an algorithm, but I don't want an Algorithm ™
I hope piefed takes off because I like it. But still maybe it's for the best that I use it as an excuse to disconnect completely from social media
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OpenStars
in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •It's dangerous for sure - both collectively (e.g. it has been demonstrated how they can map out military bases and movements following the patterns of when either the or even the surrounding people login, or perhaps do not log in during certain periods of time), and in a sense perhaps individually for people (this is probably most people) who are susceptible to additive behaviors. Although ofc forewarned forearmed and all of that, so just like any source of positive reinforcement (alcohol, drugs, gaming, even unquestionably "healthy" activities such as exercise and working), it needs to be used appropriately i.e. kept in check. "The unexamined life is not worth living", and all that.
I should note that it was not America that made TikTok that way - at least not directly. That company has always done those activities. Capitalism always sells not what people want but what the company desires to sell them. If we want different - e.g. Loops or like PeetTube and Pixelfed and such - then we have to build it. The code is not simply going to spill out of a random generator and then
... Mostrar másIt's dangerous for sure - both collectively (e.g. it has been demonstrated how they can map out military bases and movements following the patterns of when either the or even the surrounding people login, or perhaps do not log in during certain periods of time), and in a sense perhaps individually for people (this is probably most people) who are susceptible to additive behaviors. Although ofc forewarned forearmed and all of that, so just like any source of positive reinforcement (alcohol, drugs, gaming, even unquestionably "healthy" activities such as exercise and working), it needs to be used appropriately i.e. kept in check. "The unexamined life is not worth living", and all that.
I should note that it was not America that made TikTok that way - at least not directly. That company has always done those activities. Capitalism always sells not what people want but what the company desires to sell them. If we want different - e.g. Loops or like PeetTube and Pixelfed and such - then we have to build it. The code is not simply going to spill out of a random generator and then email itself to us:-) - it requires a staggeringly enormous amount of effort.
And that is the problem. I, like you and most of us here, want an algorithm that isn't Their Algorithm, but what we end up with instead still ends up being a form of Algorithm, just fueled by upvotes (vulnerable to disinformation) rather than monetary gain.
And we should all disconnect - I would argue not entirely, but stepping back a bit may do us all a world of good. Spend most time with people irl, spend only a little learning here, and don't neglect other sources that are significantly better as primary or secondary or even tertiary means of getting information. Other than Reddit though, which is where the content creators are, I am not sure more specifically what that may look like but now I know the task ahead of me: to find that.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •The world is actively imploding. You desperately want to put your head in the sand, but you're bored down there, so you now want to pull your head out and have the rest of us maintain your childish illusion while you ignore objective reality. Grow up and scroll beyond posts you don't need
You're also showing yourself as confidently ignorant as you're angry, but also obviously aren't filtering certain communities or keywords that your sensitive eyes can't handle with your app. Again, grow up.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •Lemmy was created because of Reddit censoring political content.
If you don’t wanna see political stuff go to a different website.
The above is not a value judgement. If I did not want to be exposed to the sun and the public then I wouldn’t go to a park. If I did not want to be exposed to loud car sounds and screaming fans I wouldn’t go to the racetrack. It’s okay that you don’t want to see political stuff (you should think critically about what you think is political and why). You don’t need to go to lemmy or any other fediverse thing. You can just be a Redditor.
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whoiswrongwithyou
in reply to A_Chilean_Cyborg • • •The op is welcome here. When they don’t want to be here they’re welcome to not be.
They can leave. It’s not a bad thing. It’s not an admonition or reprisal for me to say that.
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Bilb!
in reply to whoiswrongwithyou • • •I've been on lemmy since before it even federated, so I'm happy with the left-wing political and tech focused topics of discussion available.
That said, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to get away from monolithic social media and also want the sort of "non-political" content they are used to getting. There's no reason they can't do both, and I think we should encourage federated social media and direct people away from corporate social media at every opportunity. If people can comfortably get their memes and news and hobby discussions on the fediverse, that's only a good thing.
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TubularTittyFrog
in reply to Bilb! • • •I just want to get away from self-righteous agenda posters. who are so indoctrinated they think everyone else is exactly like them and if they aren't, they are terrible awful people.
it's not even a political thing, there are many folks in hobby and other groups that approach life this way, trying to shove their opinions down everyone else's throats and demonizing them for not agreeing, and/or playing the victim when someone pushes back against their shitty 'i know better than you' bullshit.
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Bilb!
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TubularTittyFrog
in reply to Bilb! • • •it's just a general attitude towards life. some folks don't mind other people doing stuff differently than them, others can't stand it and take it as a personal attack on themselves.
like, i remember when I was car-shopping a decade ago and people got mad at me for not buying the car they wanted me to buy. it was wild.
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whoiswrongwithyou
in reply to Bilb! • • •They are used to getting “non-political” content because Reddit kicked out the “political” people and closed the “political” subs.
Going to the place that those people and communities now reside and complaining that everything feels “political” is ridiculous, but there might be good reasons why a person would do it, like you said.
You’re right that it’s not unreasonable to ask for what they’re asking for. That’s why I tried my god damnedest to clearly and kindly explain that this might not be the right place for them. Not everywhere needs to be for everyone. It’s not an insult to tell someone they’re looking for the library, this is the bus terminal.
Others are espousing different ways to harness the technology using blocks and a subscription feed. If someone believes that an alternative to corporate social media should be for everyone (an explicitly political belief!) then that will be borne out by successful block and sub use. The user might also not succeed at using those tools
... Mostrar másThey are used to getting “non-political” content because Reddit kicked out the “political” people and closed the “political” subs.
Going to the place that those people and communities now reside and complaining that everything feels “political” is ridiculous, but there might be good reasons why a person would do it, like you said.
You’re right that it’s not unreasonable to ask for what they’re asking for. That’s why I tried my god damnedest to clearly and kindly explain that this might not be the right place for them. Not everywhere needs to be for everyone. It’s not an insult to tell someone they’re looking for the library, this is the bus terminal.
Others are espousing different ways to harness the technology using blocks and a subscription feed. If someone believes that an alternative to corporate social media should be for everyone (an explicitly political belief!) then that will be borne out by successful block and sub use. The user might also not succeed at using those tools. In that case they don’t have to stay. They can recognize that they want the curated, “nonpolitical” experience of Reddit. I am not making a judgement of them for wanting that, only recommending they go and get what they want.
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A_Chilean_Cyborg
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •You curate the content you see on your own, doesn't have to be political if you don't want to.
I suggest to use lemmyverse.net/ to find communities you like and keep the feed to subscribed, so you see them and them only.
this way, Lemmy is actually good, no algorithm, I choose what to see and that's a beautiful thing.
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ProdigalFrog
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •There's a couple ways to use Lemmy and make it nicer to use, one is curating a well fleshed out subscribed list, the other is using all but blocking every community that doesn't interest you or has topics you actively dislike, making it just as pleasant as your subscribed view.
Personally I do both. My subscribed view is just things I like and no news communities. My All feed blocks everything I don't like, let's me discover new communities, and gives me a dose of news when I want it.
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in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •You can shape the All feed to your liking by blocking communities that regularly post stuff you don't like. I did this with meme communities and rarely see any memes anymore. Sometimes it's a whole instance that is full of communities you don't want to see, then you might want to block it. Examples of those for me are ani.social for sexualized anime and fedinsfw.app for NSFW content.
Once you do this kind of trimming, the All feed becomes a lot less annoying.
rumba
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •What you're missing is the algorithm.
You didn't want to see that on Reddit, and it's designed to steer away. Lemmy doesn't decide what you see. You have to curate your own feed through a long process of blocking users and communities and using subscribe rather than a steady diet of all.
lechekaflan
in reply to CaffeineTwo • • •You can just curate your experience by making changes to the feed and shutting off what you feel are sources of distressing content.
Given the current state of affairs where if being a progressive American is a harrowing struggle, it's not surprising the fediverse is a refuge and outlet for angry progressives and people who have been alienated by spez's war on left-leaning content, as he will ban anyone even remotely or casually talking of committing violence on awful fascists and robber barons.
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